tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post176102089361260529..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Honestly, the Young People of Today...Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60809982617417273222010-12-09T09:22:02.090+00:002010-12-09T09:22:02.090+00:00Nice. But isn't a mural a painting directly ON...Nice. But isn't a mural a painting directly ONTO a wall? If it's hanging on the wall it ain't a mural.Frank Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10112962647283751398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57160212104075156462010-12-09T08:42:06.609+00:002010-12-09T08:42:06.609+00:00If you took the picture along to the House of Comm...If you took the picture along to the House of Commons and showed it to the inmates, how many of therm would recognise Adenauer?<br /><br />About one in five would be my guess.HampsteadOwlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10579484010636107402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87739221200025257592010-12-08T23:32:20.186+00:002010-12-08T23:32:20.186+00:00They have risen, Ian. When you went to school, you...They have risen, Ian. When you went to school, you had no idea about ANYTHING after 1990. Probably thought we'd all be wearing moon boots. Whizz For Atomms!Rich Johnstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08094139982498797455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61603551810045420052010-12-08T22:12:02.095+00:002010-12-08T22:12:02.095+00:00Depends what kind of history you studied at school...Depends what kind of history you studied at school I suppose. My school was very old fashioned and we did 19th century British political history (corn laws, reform act etc.) Consequently I can recognise a drawing of Sir Charles Dilke or Joachim Goschen at a hundred paces. As it stands however I thought it was Alan Sugar as well!N A Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09152177861292150398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72713689768882897852010-12-08T22:02:55.591+00:002010-12-08T22:02:55.591+00:00it's probably that not a lot of people recogni...it's probably that not a lot of people recognize adenauer because the mural is not a very good likeness. it's kind of ironic that all the wrong guesses (sid james, alan sugar, jack cohen) have been jews, considering that your hero adenauer bears a lot of responsibility for the fact that so few Nazis were held to account for their crimes.<br /><br />i also agree with the comments arguing that you can be quite knowledgeable about an historical figure without recognizing them. recognizable historical figures tend to either be so famous as to be iconic (eg che guevara) or to have very memorable faces (eg moshe dayan's eye patch)bear of little brainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15545737954643939109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67273143123344050582010-12-08T20:23:41.226+00:002010-12-08T20:23:41.226+00:00I rely on the diagram that Father Ted drew for Fat...I rely on the <a href="http://intepid.com/2005-04-27/12.25/" rel="nofollow">diagram</a> that Father Ted drew for Father Dougal. That and a small piece of paper with Port is Left Starboard is Right written on it.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358349301959327747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15033187458297210352010-12-08T16:34:23.987+00:002010-12-08T16:34:23.987+00:00Well, bugger me sideways!Well, bugger me sideways!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11995535454830660589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88017219303438689402010-12-08T15:18:49.132+00:002010-12-08T15:18:49.132+00:00I'm with Grant on this one - he does look like...I'm with Grant on this one - he <i>does</i> look like Alan Sugar.<br /><br />Never knew what Konrad Adenauer looked like, so quick Google lookup.<br /><br />Erm the picture still looks more like Alan Sugar than the Old Man.FFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16627719160178595437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14952421552357589762010-12-08T15:16:41.945+00:002010-12-08T15:16:41.945+00:00Was the one with half its head missing painted by ...Was the one with half its head missing painted by Francis Bacon?Michael Fowkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01256575427122383710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76434764150273928872010-12-08T15:01:55.614+00:002010-12-08T15:01:55.614+00:00@Overtiredandemotional
Bottom Left: Franklin D R...@Overtiredandemotional <br /><br />Bottom Left: Franklin D Roosevelt<br />Top Left: Charles De GaulleGrant Tuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12993621139583827081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83571442675005587102010-12-08T14:58:34.800+00:002010-12-08T14:58:34.800+00:00The Adenauer spirit could sink the Euro. The Germ...The Adenauer spirit could sink the Euro. The Germans might start to see that One World Government is not all it's cracked up to be, and they can do better breaking free from the Eurozone.<br /><br />Germans have historically stood apart from western empires, starting with the Romans.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48449706399707443452010-12-08T14:49:01.103+00:002010-12-08T14:49:01.103+00:00Konrad, a real pain in the arse to the British Occ...Konrad, a real pain in the arse to the British Occupation in the early years, briefly imprisoned, released and tolerated whilst he manouvered for position.<br />Suspected of being a communist mole, notwithstanding his ultra left wing views.<br />Frankly an all round pest, nuisance, and first class pain.Penfoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16946700329323417719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6566588274898877622010-12-08T14:09:28.994+00:002010-12-08T14:09:28.994+00:00I only did history up to GCSE and we stopped in 19...I only did history up to GCSE and we stopped in 1939. I realised when watching Andrew Marr's history of modern Britain that I had this gap in my knowledge from 1946 until I became aware of politics in the early 70s. His book fills that gap very nicelyStabledoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280255138285026024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67328222613957045362010-12-08T13:56:07.416+00:002010-12-08T13:56:07.416+00:00Has anyone identified the owner of the body (top l...Has anyone identified the owner of the body (top left) and the head (bottom left)?<br /><br />I think that bottom left is Neville Chamberlain, but am stumped by top left.<br /><br />Incidentally, whilst I did guess Adenauer, if someone had assertively said Alan Sugar, I would have agreed and abandonned the old man.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11995535454830660589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62476612236746832512010-12-08T13:32:22.776+00:002010-12-08T13:32:22.776+00:00Like Sic Semper Tyrannus, I thought it was Sid Jam...Like Sic Semper Tyrannus, I thought it was<a rel="nofollow"> Sid James</a>Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03234085314662011091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46757864891357739042010-12-08T13:10:08.411+00:002010-12-08T13:10:08.411+00:00yes I knew it was KA. But I'm glad to see you...yes I knew it was KA. But I'm glad to see you chose the right candidate to be your PA. :-)<br />BTW - maybe you should have instigated an 'apprentice' style reality show to chose your new PA.<br /><br />You could have called it 'Strictly Dancing with Dale in the Jungle on Ice Factor.<br />It could have been scheduled on Dave+1 right after 'Katie Wants a New Friend'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21668676490545114372010-12-08T12:42:45.584+00:002010-12-08T12:42:45.584+00:00Just because someone doesn't recognise a pictu...Just because someone doesn't recognise a picture doesn't mean they haven't heard of the person though. I couldn't recognise Adenauer for the life of me, but I could talk about him and his accomplishments for quite a while.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03416860162950060134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4062115797319827972010-12-08T12:39:34.830+00:002010-12-08T12:39:34.830+00:00b3harris mentioning Ludwig Earhart reminded me, ar...b3harris mentioning Ludwig Earhart reminded me, aren't we supposed to have had our own 'bonfire of controls'. Or was that just to get the vote out, not to actually do ?Steve_Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741170426828516479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8939791430151540092010-12-08T11:29:56.835+00:002010-12-08T11:29:56.835+00:00Of course, in your day it wasn't history Iain,...Of course, in your day it wasn't history Iain, it was current affairs...<br /><br />It's very easy to pick holes in people's knowledge, given that there's just so much of the stuff these days. Even those who did GCSE/O-Level history will have patchy knowledge of some periods over others - certainly in my day there was far too much of WWII to the exclusion of almost everything else. But then I didn't do history - I did German instead. Is it more important to recognise Adenauer's face or to speak to his grandchildren in their native tongue?<br /><br />I still know who he was, I just didn't recognise the face. And it's really not that important in the global scheme of things.<br /><br />I'd suggest that the average arts graduate is even weaker on the scientific bits of what should be considered general knowledge - could you identify Max Perutz or Fred Sanger, or even explain what they did? Sanger has a fair claim to Greatest Living Englishman, but I'd guess most of the political classes have never heard of him.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Perutz<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Sanger<br /><br />wv:spacksioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5184806615769791692010-12-08T11:24:51.797+00:002010-12-08T11:24:51.797+00:00@Blogger b3nharris said...
Interestingly, West Ge...@Blogger b3nharris said...<br /><br />Interestingly, West Germany, after the war, re-modelled its education on our existing tri-partite system. It is still in place there. They are in pretty good shape economically, and have an educated work force.<br /><br />Contrast what has happened here since the Socialist brought in the one-size-fits-all dogma. Enough to make you weep.Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91279794282843617812010-12-08T11:21:37.127+00:002010-12-08T11:21:37.127+00:00I must admit my knowledge of German history is rat...I must admit my knowledge of German history is rather patchy:<br /><br />Bismarck<br />WW1<br />Weimar Republic <br />Nazi Germany<br />Helmut Kohl <br /><br />Although I still stand by my point, it looks like Alan Sugar!Grant Tuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12993621139583827081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69600127625799726352010-12-08T11:09:23.494+00:002010-12-08T11:09:23.494+00:00What annoys me is when youngsters on quiz shows ar...What annoys me is when youngsters on quiz shows are unable to answer a simple question and then say indignantly: "How should I know that? It was before I was born."<br /><br /><br />(However, I have been very impressed with the standards of general knowledge in the latest series of "University Challenge.")Charlotte Cordayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02699082712772273159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70010029138411227052010-12-08T11:08:26.888+00:002010-12-08T11:08:26.888+00:00When I was at school, we studied the 19th century ...When I was at school, we studied the 19th century through to 1939, and then post 1945 but in a very piece-meal way - specific items rather than broad trends.<br /><br />It all stopped before the end of the Cold War, which I've always regarded as a shame...johnlinfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07721596897723364204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59030968327234317412010-12-08T10:59:56.591+00:002010-12-08T10:59:56.591+00:00I was wondering what Sid James was doing on there!...I was wondering what Sid James was doing on there!Sic Semper Tyrannishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04097405157868540910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8547669341531409812010-12-08T10:54:08.248+00:002010-12-08T10:54:08.248+00:00Looks like Stanley Baldwin to me.Looks like Stanley Baldwin to me.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01374768892496216138noreply@blogger.com