tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1759710913272677111..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: What Would Thatcher & Reagan Have Done About Iran?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58845433269824129202009-06-24T11:54:19.756+01:002009-06-24T11:54:19.756+01:00LOL typical Ahmaidiot loving moron. Doesn't ad...LOL typical Ahmaidiot loving moron. Doesn't address the argument, just gets totally butthurt while they scramble to readjust their delusion in the face of the facts.<br /><br />Get over yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28607825254077497322009-06-24T11:50:52.427+01:002009-06-24T11:50:52.427+01:00anon 7:27: you need to get a grip. you are contra...anon 7:27: you need to get a grip. you are contradicting yourself. you are talking complete drivel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88834967257452347872009-06-24T07:27:17.072+01:002009-06-24T07:27:17.072+01:00So finally, after over a week, Omoron has lent his...So finally, after over a week, Omoron has lent his support to the protestors and given condemnation to the Iranian thugs with the same harshness of rhetoric as the rest of Europe and, surprise surprise, there was no acceleration of the crackdown. How can there be, when it's already as bloody as possible without totally alienating the rest of the world and making Russia and China look bad.<br /><br />So how does it feel, canvas and the rest of her ilk, to be COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY FUCKING WRONG?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39492187015209820252009-06-23T08:25:35.630+01:002009-06-23T08:25:35.630+01:00The bloodshed continues and Omoron won't even ...The bloodshed continues and Omoron won't even rescind the invitations for Iranian diplomats to attend US Independence celebrations at the Swiss embassy. I would be disgusted, but I expect this from him.<br /><br />Can't wait for his response to the NK missile launch in two weeks either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80500154749028591982009-06-23T02:28:55.459+01:002009-06-23T02:28:55.459+01:00"Think back to the early 1980s. Did Margaret ..."Think back to the early 1980s. Did Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan stand on one side when Solidarity was in its infancy? Did they think that uttering words of support might be damaging? No, not a bit of it. They recognised the importance of sending a clear signal that those who were fighting oppression and dictatorship were in their thoughts."<br /><br />Too right, they armed Saddam to the teeth.That's the way to fight oppression in Iran, right Iain?Maggymanianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8883867780997871412009-06-23T00:30:33.104+01:002009-06-23T00:30:33.104+01:00Iain, you shouldn't be so quick to jump on Tim...Iain, you shouldn't be so quick to jump on Tim at 9.26 on the 22nd.<br />Or do you really want your blog to be taken over by the foul-mouthed, Israeli, rent-a-rant crowd ?Dimotonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14055951346347096502009-06-22T19:51:27.773+01:002009-06-22T19:51:27.773+01:00I think our politicians should steer well clear of...I think our politicians should steer well clear of this spat between different islamic factions.<br /><br />In any case, western intervention in Iran has had unpredictable and unsatisfactory results in the past.<br /><br />When the UK and the US got rid of Mossadeq in 1953, they set in motion the train of events that led to the 1979 revolution.<br /><br />Do we really want to repeat that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59454695080574278242009-06-22T16:15:43.954+01:002009-06-22T16:15:43.954+01:00Anon 11.19 I can't agree with you either about...Anon 11.19 I can't agree with you either about it being right of the USSR to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968. Indeed even from a utilitarian point of view I think they were wrong - if, instead, the Soviet government had decided to learn a bit from the Prague reformists the USSR might still be there.<br /><br />However I acknowledge your even handedness in making the comparison. Most "right wingers" think that the right to bully other nations was given by G<br />od to NATO.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21153836896135518242009-06-22T15:25:56.448+01:002009-06-22T15:25:56.448+01:00Anon @ 3.12pm
What did you expect? Canvas just wo...Anon @ 3.12pm<br /><br />What did you expect? Canvas just wore out the left wing pro-Omoron pro-Ahmadinnerjacket pro-direct negotiations claptrap thoroughly, totally debunked at 7.16, 8.20, 10.01, 10.40, 10.42, 11.19, 11.21 and 12.50. I wouldn't worry about it.Parpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50690526970511311142009-06-22T15:24:59.529+01:002009-06-22T15:24:59.529+01:00@Nigel
I saw that propaganda video too and of cou...@Nigel<br /><br />I saw that propaganda video too and of course it's kind of ridiculous but the central point they're making is a correct one. The US is actively engaged in <i>pro democracy</i> movements around the world, hence all these colour revolutions. Not a bad thing you might think, but it seems to me that these efforts are as much about interfering in elections to get their man or woman elected as overthrowing dictatorships. <i>Our Brand is Crisis</i> is a documentary that illustrates this kind of thing pretty well. I also think there is a danger that they might 'peak to early', bringing civil problems and risks to the lives of those involved. Democracy has to come about through consent and takes time.Duncan Cooksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00670976337437990284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54682020457042910202009-06-22T15:12:45.227+01:002009-06-22T15:12:45.227+01:00Or maybe Barry 0, canvas, who welcomed the "r...Or maybe Barry 0, canvas, who welcomed the "robust debate" around the time the rioting started and then, just as he was to claim credit for Mousavi's win, scurried under his desk to pick up the pieces of his Iranian strategy and kept his mouth shut until Super Genius Joke Biden thought up a winning solution which was telling the protestors "seeking justice with peaceful ways" while the Basij were firing on rooftops and killing women.<br /><br />Imagine Barry 0 shaking Ahmadinejad's hand during the future ineffectual and pointless nuclear negotiations when the bloody crackdown has faded from public memory. What a disgusting little cunt. Fuck him and fuck his shitcunt supporters. I hope they all choke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54747476884320359082009-06-22T14:45:50.978+01:002009-06-22T14:45:50.978+01:00Desperate Dan says:
"Sometimes Iain writes t...Desperate Dan says:<br /> "Sometimes Iain writes things just to be provocative and start a debate. I have no idea whether this is one of those occasions "<br /><br /><br /><br />LoL ! This is NOT one of those occasions since Iain Dale can't and won't debate this Iran issue > that's because Iain now realises he was always on the wrong side of this argument. He lost the argument a long time ago. <br /><br />This Iran post that Iain wrote is SO ridiculous that the only other person who could top it is perhaps that dumb ass Sarah Palin.<br /><br />Mind you, I still love Iain to bits ...despite his absurd views of foreign affairs. Bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85983706993100912192009-06-22T14:30:47.609+01:002009-06-22T14:30:47.609+01:00Why the fuck does Iran need the West as a scapegoa...Why the fuck does Iran need the West as a scapegoat to create a bloodbath? Most of the official opposition is under arrest, most youth are already pro-Western enough, Mullah control is already tight enough and if Ahmadinejad got as much of the vote as Nigel says they did, they won't need "the West" to drop a train on them. Fuck me, try and think of things in ways other than "hurrr itz all oar fult."<br /><br />"As I said before, go live in a culture completely different from the west. I did for many years in 4 continents and 5 countries."<br /><br />Good for you. Why didn't you stay there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62501257181454412902009-06-22T14:25:47.349+01:002009-06-22T14:25:47.349+01:00No, it's not a bloodbath yet but get the weste...No, it's not a bloodbath yet but get the western powers supporting one side or another and there will be on a scale about 100 times greater than is happening at the moment. What impact do you think soundbite statements will have to the good? Do the hawks want to push it to the level of civil war hoping the west will then come in and save the protestors? The shah's regime wasn't saved, the Hungarians and Czechs were ground down for decades. Face it, the west is bankrupt fiscally and powerwise. Also, no one knows what sort of support is being given behind the scenes. Public support from the hated western governments for the protestors will assure an early end for their protest and for them. As I said before, go live in a culture completely different from the west. I did for many years in 4 continents and 5 countries. If the west publicly supports the protestors, the Iranian government will say that is the proof that the west is behind the unrest and are planning another invasion as they did in Iraq. And once Iran starts its REAL crackdown will the west come to the aid of the protestors? Ha! They'll be refusing the refugees visas on the grounds they might be a terrorist.happinesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11374148305020402076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65169616304229166872009-06-22T13:29:26.250+01:002009-06-22T13:29:26.250+01:00Sometimes Iain writes things just to be provocativ...Sometimes Iain writes things just to be provocative and start a debate. I have no idea whether this is one of those occasions but those people who are a bit slow on the uptake might bear that in mind.Desperate Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04961605512194121921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21754649226859170552009-06-22T13:25:20.596+01:002009-06-22T13:25:20.596+01:00Adam:
>>the only remotely valid poll...<&...Adam:<br />>>the only remotely valid poll...<<<br /><br />Leaving aside your somewhat tendentious description of it, one of the key data points in that poll was the very large percentage of those polled who refused to express a preference. One can guess why.<br /><br />For one informed analysis of what went on, you could try this:<br />http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/files/14234_iranelection0609.pdf<br /><br />Anon @12.50<br />Whatever.Nigelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75766767920693935142009-06-22T12:50:52.785+01:002009-06-22T12:50:52.785+01:00Nigel, Manichean is an Iranian Gnostic religion an...Nigel, Manichean is an Iranian Gnostic religion and the main tenet of it is for light to be gradually removed from the world of matter and returned to the world of light from which it came, not in the (rather crude and simplistic) explanation of good triumphing over evil, a concept found in many religions and the political theory of idealism. I guess dem neocons and their worldview are just like dem jooooooooooooz/mooslems/hindoos etc, using your logic.<br /><br />And Krudman called for the creation of a property bubble in 2002 after the collapse of the Nasdaq bubble, which is part of the reason why we're in the mess we're in. General Nobel winners are very clever in their particular subset of their field (e.g. economics, physics) but lack knowledge or common sense in everything else. Case in point: US Energy Secretary Steven Chu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81687360944546776432009-06-22T12:37:12.708+01:002009-06-22T12:37:12.708+01:00Anonymous 10.01
>>did Brzezinski really cal...Anonymous 10.01<br /><br />>>did Brzezinski really call the Iranian leadership "neocon"? Wow, what a twit<<<br /><br />Try reading the whole interview. The comparison makes sense to me. A manichean worldview is one of the defining characteristics of the 'neocons':<br />"...And there are those who are supporting the regime, who in many respects are like our neocons -- very similar to our neocons.<br />They're Manichean. They look at the world as divided into good and evil, and many of them see America as the personification of evil..."<br /><br />>>intellectual lightweight. Like Paul Krudman...<<<br /><br />And you of course are an intellectual heavyweight.<br />Who prefers a cloak of anonymity.<br />Otherwise you'd have been awarded the Nobel ?Nigelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85163611522349566452009-06-22T12:33:23.343+01:002009-06-22T12:33:23.343+01:00canvas said
Cameron should calm his apparent hawki...canvas said<br />Cameron should calm his apparent hawkish tendencies. It's very worrying. As for Iain's response - well that doesn't surprise me at all. He is clueless when it comes to foreign affairs.<br /><br />June 21, 2009 10:53 PM<br /><br />Whereas you are just a clueless twat about everything.billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63230246353021237432009-06-22T11:21:58.259+01:002009-06-22T11:21:58.259+01:00The Iran Contra Affair occured while two batshit c...The Iran Contra Affair occured while two batshit countries (Iran and Iraq) were fighting it out and batshit revolutionaries were crawling around Central America acting like twats, and the Reagan administration took advantage of the situation for its own gain. Is this the left's entire argument? "Hurr durr iran contra lol"? It's not 1985 anymore. Get over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73697091845898163682009-06-22T11:19:23.572+01:002009-06-22T11:19:23.572+01:00"There is no evidence whatsoever"
In 50..."There is no evidence whatsoever"<br /><br />In 50 cities, there are more votes than they are actual voters.<br /><br />"because the people had voted in a left wing government. I do not consider that to have been admirable."<br /><br />I do. I would not allow a country in my sphere of influence to go left, just as the USSR refused Czechoslovakia to liberalise. Welcome to the realities of international power politics. We didn't have the opportunity to create minor changes in a fundamentally rotten system because of geopolitics and the red nuclear threat, but we do now for Iran, for the first time since Carter fucked up in 1979.<br /><br />Again, leftards like neil craig would rather leave Ahmadinejad as President rather than take the chance of having someone not as batshit insane there. Anonymous at 7.16 and 8.20 is, of course, correct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90015258753115435782009-06-22T11:16:01.454+01:002009-06-22T11:16:01.454+01:00Odd question. We know what Reagan did - do you rea...Odd question. We know what Reagan did - do you really not remember the Iran Contra affair? <br /><br />Sheesh.Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49544600717710568202009-06-22T11:10:57.805+01:002009-06-22T11:10:57.805+01:00Iain's entire argument depends on the assumpti...Iain's entire argument depends on the assumption that the election count was fraudulent, to the tune of 12 million votes & thar Ah'madinnerjacket didn't win. There is no evidence whatsoever for this & indeed previous poll evidence suggests the opposite. <br /><br />Democracy is what the people voted for not what Washington & the BBC would like the people to have voted for.<br /><br />It is true that Reagan did intervene in Nicaragua to train & fund terrorists because the people had voted in a left wing government. I do not consider that to have been admirable.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88758647747803231942009-06-22T10:42:00.714+01:002009-06-22T10:42:00.714+01:00Protest signs, I should say. Similar to how many s...Protest signs, I should say. Similar to how many signs in Tiananmen were in English and Mandarin. Tiananmen 1989 = Tehran 2009. Oh, how little people learn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84145886186065600912009-06-22T10:40:42.022+01:002009-06-22T10:40:42.022+01:00"All it will take to tip the medieval mullahs..."All it will take to tip the medieval mullahs into an orgy of killing is for the West to start proselytising."<br /><br />Like they aren't already? The whole Colonel Klink "I DO NUTTING! NUTTING!" routine doesn't stand up to the events on the ground;<br /><br />"Even the demonstrators do not seem to be screaming for western support, do they?"<br /><br />Nor do this. All those protests wouldn't be in English if they weren't sending a message to the West, were they?<br /><br />Germany, France and Britain have stepped up to the plate. Even while Iran flails about the UK being "most evil," the protestors haven't turned their attentions to the embassy (yet). This hyperventilating by people like jojoko are little more than leftist bleating, wanting Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs to succeed. All the protestors ask for is moral support. Cameron delivered, why can't Omoron?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com