tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1465120774976873779..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Sexism in the BlogosphereIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40046645467558914272007-05-24T22:09:00.000+01:002007-05-24T22:09:00.000+01:00I agree with Jafo.I agree with Jafo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34567380657182541462007-05-24T21:35:00.000+01:002007-05-24T21:35:00.000+01:00"I'm very deaf, very female and run a successful b..."I'm very deaf, very female and run a successful business in a male orientated field without needing anyone to make excuses for me either."<BR/><BR/>Colleen from Old HarlowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3221361315604989252007-05-24T21:26:00.000+01:002007-05-24T21:26:00.000+01:00I'll declare an interest.My mother worked most of ...I'll declare an interest.<BR/><BR/>My mother worked most of her life, so that was 'normal' for me.<BR/><BR/>I have worked with women in the British Army and in business all over the world.<BR/><BR/>I can't honestly recall any particularly vile comments on all the blogs re MK, sexist, yes, so what? Misandry is just as alive and well, and in my experience of the media, far more prevalent that mysogyny.<BR/><BR/>Are men more interested in politics than women are, of course. Otherwise women would be ruling the country, wouldn't they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46144091566166939922007-05-24T20:59:00.000+01:002007-05-24T20:59:00.000+01:00Excellent jafo, agree with every word you say.I'm ...Excellent jafo, agree with every word you say.<BR/><BR/>I'm very deaf, very female and run a successful business in a male orientated field without needing anyone to make excuses for me either. <BR/><BR/>Totally agree with your comments about women paying the 'poor little me' card too. If we women want to succeed we must go for it as much courage as men have, bless 'em.<BR/><BR/>Yes there is some detestable conduct on some sites. However Iain soon deals with any really vile stuff that appears here. Along with Boris's blog, Iain's has to be one of the most well managed blogs with the best bunch of bloggers on the net. <BR/><BR/>Most of us here, male and female, conduct ourselves reasonably well, and if we don't someone will soon put us in our place.<BR/><BR/>Yes, there is some detestable sexism and even vile sadism on some blogs, but this is by no means a male preserve, nor is such conduct confined to the obvious sites. Some apparently friendly sites can become vicious. <BR/><BR/>I saw one man - who was a bit of pain, but obviously quite depressed - hunted down by a small clique on webcameron. Instead of ignoring him, they behaved like a pack of wolves with the scent of blood in their nostrils. <BR/><BR/>The more distressed he became, the more they laid into him with psychological attacks. And the one leading and provoking these attacks was a woman. <BR/><BR/>Auntie Flo'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77834860184258979612007-05-24T19:31:00.000+01:002007-05-24T19:31:00.000+01:00Its nit picking I know but we are not part of the ...Its nit picking I know but we are not part of the USA so why do the young use 'defense'? There is no such word in the English language -it is 'defence'.<BR/><BR/>Sorry but the continuing assumption that we are an American State -as fostered by this government that sends our nationals accross the Atlantic to face the ruin of their lives and their families lives for a non existant crime - infuriates me beyond anything. The French sometimes have the right idea!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17299179990537049312007-05-24T18:55:00.000+01:002007-05-24T18:55:00.000+01:00Jilted John, see above!Jilted John, see above!Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88049294895566929282007-05-24T18:52:00.000+01:002007-05-24T18:52:00.000+01:00Anon at 2.12pm - "I think it would be best if wome...Anon at 2.12pm - "I think it would be best if women kept out of politics.<BR/>They're far too obsessed with appearances, hair line, voice etc. to be able to make sound judgements."<BR/><BR/>Dear me, old chap - what are you going to do when women get the vote?<BR/><BR/>What's the name of that Scottish chap who's recently had his teeth whitened and is paying £100+ for his haircut........something to do with politics, I think - difficult for me, you appreciate, being female? Could it be - Gordon Brown! More to the point - why haven't you commented on that? He's not female, is he (no jokes here please) so cannot possibly be obsessed with his appearance........<BR/><BR/>Men undoubtedly say things on blogs they wouldn't say to a woman's face - but I bet they say those things to each other when there's no women present.<BR/><BR/>Free speech is under attack in this country and doesn't need to be censored any further.<BR/> <BR/>Personally I don't like obscene language whether spoken or written, so I'm all for Iain not allowing that. However, we're all grownups here (a stretch with some of the comments sometimes, I know) so if you don't like what people say, don't read the blogs.<BR/><BR/>I've managed fine in a male-dominated industry for most of my working life, thanks very much, and don't need anybody making allowances or excuses for me. If I don't like what is said, I say so. I've no time for women playing the "poor little me" card (except where lifting something heavy or cars are concerned, when it's quite permissible). If you're doing a grown-up job and expecting equal pay for it - don't whine. <BR/><BR/>Yes, some men are oafs who think with their you-know-whats - but it's a bit sweeping to suggest they all are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57721546544717077642007-05-24T18:50:00.000+01:002007-05-24T18:50:00.000+01:00Anonymous, As you may have noticed from the lack o...Anonymous, As you may have noticed from the lack of posts today I have been busy doing things other than blogging. I do have a job, you know! I shall be doing something on this poll later I hope.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90704510419792306152007-05-24T18:21:00.000+01:002007-05-24T18:21:00.000+01:00Iain, no comment on the ICM poll? Usually you can'...Iain, no comment on the ICM poll? Usually you can't wait to share your analysis of the latest polls. Strange.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85791702152525409632007-05-24T18:18:00.001+01:002007-05-24T18:18:00.001+01:00I am a woman, a blogger and an unsuccessful campai...I am a woman, a blogger and an unsuccessful campaigner. <BR/>In my view, what some of the female bloggers complain about may not be as much a problem of gender as of upbringing.<BR/>I also believe that macho attitudes could be a remnant of health in a society now blighted by political correctness and enforced feminism.<BR/>Having had to advocate before a mainly male readership (i.e. trying to stir up revolt amongst sailors), I have noticed quite the reverse: i.e. manly attitudes such as courage, intransigence and combativeness, which we normally associate with masculinity, are becoming hard to find. <BR/>Political correctness and other forms of suppression have turned the male of this nation into a sort of sexless, fearful creature, a strange kind of female wearing trousers.<BR/>Some display of machismo, via anonymous blog comments, if not too vulgar, may, therefore, be a useful act of mental hygiene.<BR/>After all, “The root of human sanity is in the b...s”, as D.H. Lawrence, wrote somewhere.gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12852087594641044352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85782409285892791452007-05-24T18:18:00.000+01:002007-05-24T18:18:00.000+01:00IainCan I make a polite request we have more comme...Iain<BR/><BR/>Can I make a polite request we have more comment on the real issues of the day please. Today we have a Home Secretary suspending one of the basic rights of British subjects, we have yet more stealth taxes from Milliband and a US soldier is found floating in a river having been captured and executed.<BR/><BR/>I really dont think the issue of sexism in the the blogosphere is of much importance by comparisonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6796421459626619622007-05-24T18:16:00.001+01:002007-05-24T18:16:00.001+01:00"I think he has a point when he says that men leav..."I think he has a point when he says that men leave comments on blogs which they would never say to a woman's face."<BR/><BR/>Oh deary me, my delicate eyes surely will fall out if I set my eyes on some nincompoops' scribbles...<BR/><BR/>The entire point about blogs and anonymity is that you can be refreshingly honest about what you really think. Some folks abuse this to smear dementaed graffitty (Narrenhände beschmieren Tisch und Wände) everywhere, but eh, more often than not being able to be frank cuts the crap and also get's people's secret nutty ideas out in the open. They may not admit at the time that a discussion changed their minds in the end, but I know it happens often enough for it to be worthwhile. Any woman who has a problem with that should stay in the kitchen! <BR/><BR/>Cinnamon, a professional Hausfrau and part-time argumentative, cynical, right-wing anarchist hippy feminst bitch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87271133341275321162007-05-24T18:16:00.000+01:002007-05-24T18:16:00.000+01:00I used to come to this blog quite a bit; that is, ...I used to come to this blog quite a bit; that is, until "Politics for Adults" descended into: -<BR/><BR/>Politics for the Puerile.<BR/><BR/>I now tend just to watch the shows when you have guests of substance on.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634532301690071884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68222517672349890742007-05-24T17:59:00.000+01:002007-05-24T17:59:00.000+01:00PragueTory said: "but I'm astonished that anyone ...PragueTory said: "but I'm astonished that anyone thought it was mysognistic. <BR/><BR/>http://praguetory.blogspot.com/2007/04/karren-brady-another-dyke.html<BR/><BR/>HAHAHAHAHAHA! Please DO tell me that was a joke! Look again at your title and comments. Even your regular commenters were cautioning you about defamation. (if those comments are still there)<BR/><BR/>As for newman, that wasn't even an attempt at a defence, was it? Do you stand by your "ugliest councillor competition" featuring women only? You did until your own readers couldn't take anymore. Too bad they couln't twist your arm enough for you to post your picture.<BR/><BR/>Finally, as for Mach: My reference to the tube was in reference to your mention of women "expecting you to give up [your] seat". I am not sure what relevance that had to women blogging. Not sure I care enough to pursue it anyways.<BR/><BR/>I do love it: a chorus (of the first two)attempting to defend the indefensible with that old chestnut of a defense, "it was a joke".<BR/><BR/>Hey- Iain wanted to know why. I've told you why. That you don't like the answer is not my problem.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10634532301690071884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42305330200123083082007-05-24T17:54:00.001+01:002007-05-24T17:54:00.001+01:00That's because you're basically Brit-political, Ia...That's because you're basically Brit-political, Iain. I'm not as good on the politics and get more females.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91081826203156613312007-05-24T17:54:00.000+01:002007-05-24T17:54:00.000+01:00Another blog piece talking about blogging. Why do...Another blog piece talking about blogging. Why don't you get over youselves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32960462895088350772007-05-24T17:53:00.000+01:002007-05-24T17:53:00.000+01:00Possibly because women have more to do with their ...Possibly because women have more to do with their time and have a real life. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, lets be honest here, Conservatives are not historically known for their lack of misogyny, are they?<BR/><BR/>Needs I say "suffragette", "Grand National" and "Vote"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24745976573169839002007-05-24T17:46:00.000+01:002007-05-24T17:46:00.000+01:00Canvas - you asked for some defns - here goes:Real...Canvas - you asked for some defns - here goes:<BR/><BR/>Real women are confident in themselves and don't need to make excuses or play the Boy Bloggers made me cry ploy. If they want to get even - your already dead.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Men_Don't_Eat_Quiche" REL="nofollow">Real men don't eat quiche</A>.<BR/><BR/>Any clearer ?Man in a Shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00990902055642035293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21988437270767810732007-05-24T17:16:00.001+01:002007-05-24T17:16:00.001+01:00Looking on CH it would appear that the majority of...Looking on CH it would appear that the majority of bloggers are male but I think the assumption is also made that all the anonymous bloggers are men too. <BR/><BR/>We're not. I'm most certainly a girl and enjoy my involvement in the man's world of politics. Much more interesting than the WI.<BR/><BR/>As for the offensive comments; I hope that CH do take action as it is getting a bit out of hand. No one seems to be able to make a comment without being accused of something - this week's accusation is that you're a 'Cameroon sycophant' which was levied against me yesterday. And some of the anti-female commments are a bit ripe at times too which maybe explains why I post anonymously giving no clue to my gender.<BR/><BR/>Sadly some people are just naturally offensive. Whether that's due to bad parenting or bad schooling or just the chip that's hurting their shoulder, who knows. It's a shame though as it ruins the medium for everyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27785627075992271462007-05-24T17:16:00.000+01:002007-05-24T17:16:00.000+01:00The fact most bloggers and comments are made by me...The fact most bloggers and comments are made by men is facile. There are no restrictions, the criticism should aimed at women. <BR/><BR/>Sexist comment are different. But it denegrates the comment maker not the blogger or the article. However the blogger has every right to moderate how they wish so I have no problem with these any comments where OFFENCE IS GIVEN being taken off the comment. People will learn not to make offensive comments if they are removed. <BR/><BR/>Having aid that, how does the comment moderator decide if a joke about Ruth Kelly's appearance if giving or taking offense or not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42736123027221778212007-05-24T17:09:00.000+01:002007-05-24T17:09:00.000+01:00Animal may have some good points but not being a p...Animal may have some good points but not being a psych ologist/iatrist I wouldn't comment.<BR/><BR/>The more female bloggers/commenters the better - to be encouraged - I do sense some blogger & commenter discouragement on the, mainly political, blogs I inhabit!<BR/><BR/>Political correctness on the MSM is also to blame for some of the more open /extreme reactions on the blogosphere.The MSM really does produce a lot of disagreeable rubbish which is intrusive both directly & indirectly. (ie primarily the BBC encouraged & led by another political party since at least 1997). <BR/><BR/>The MSM is NOT the future unless it changes fundamentally in my view<BR/><BR/>The blogosphere seems to be developing with a plethora of blogs reflecting every aspect of humanity / inhumanity.<BR/><BR/>The winners longer term I hope will retain their individuality / aversion to political correctness whilst still encouraging and attracting a mixed audience.<BR/><BR/>Not sure I could cope with Mrs Dales Diary though!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65902213905338805012007-05-24T17:04:00.000+01:002007-05-24T17:04:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20212563009735608652007-05-24T17:02:00.000+01:002007-05-24T17:02:00.000+01:00Kris...I didn't say you do use the tube; I don't k...Kris...<BR/><BR/>I didn't say you do use the tube; I don't know you and wouldn't know. I'm sure I've spotted the odd woman (no I don't mean Margaret Beckett) on the tube though...<BR/><BR/>I didn't claim that women are not interested in politics or don't know how to use a computer, although now you mention it, the most miserable hours of my life have been spent trying to explain some perfectly simple computer function (email or whatever) over the phone to my mother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61711940347170988452007-05-24T16:27:00.000+01:002007-05-24T16:27:00.000+01:00I am at a conference (Insurance...don`t ask) but I...I am at a conference (Insurance...don`t ask) but I couldn`t leave this one. Kris if you are refferring to my now defunct blog I have to point out that I was at one point getting about fifty comments a day and I would say a vastly larger proportion of them were from women than here or indeed any other poltical blog I can think of .<BR/><BR/>Not all women are perfect some are bossy killjoys intent on sucking the joy out of anything they participate in....which brings me , to the subject of kris. ( Coincidentally)<BR/><BR/>Kris I do look like an oil painting...of an ugly person.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Gotta goAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18861612196319824742007-05-24T16:22:00.000+01:002007-05-24T16:22:00.000+01:00Kris - I never did a piece on fingers, dykes and K...Kris - I never did a piece on fingers, dykes and Karren Brady. I did a piece on similarities between Karren Brady and Greg Dyke, but I'm astonished that anyone thought it was mysognistic. <A HREF="http://praguetory.blogspot.com/2007/04/karren-brady-another-dyke.html" REL="nofollow">Source</A>. I think Shane's piece is a bit over-wrought. Men do behave differently around women often in positive ways.Praguetoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16520923731691837948noreply@blogger.com