tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1365676220036867756..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: I Hate To Tell Gordon This, But...Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17513634806395828802008-05-09T20:15:00.000+01:002008-05-09T20:15:00.000+01:00norman said... 'So what' Balls' rating has hit a d...norman said... <BR/><I>'So what' Balls' rating has hit a deep freeze like reading in chemical labs like -273K! Brown, 'So what 'Balls and other cronies are effectively forzen and fossilised!</I><BR/><BR/>There is no such temperature as -273K. Do you mean Absolute Zero which is -273C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29481047181245889812008-05-09T15:13:00.000+01:002008-05-09T15:13:00.000+01:00To be honest, I think that Labour already shows so...To be honest, I think that Labour already shows some of the signs of having become the Liberal Party of the early twentieth century, dependent on the sale of honours and high-earning businessmen. One must remember that in 1910, the real uber-capitalists were Liberals. It was was financial services people and the smaller businesses that supported the Conservatives, those who had nothing to gain by 'globalisation'. I suspect that Labour is down, but not necessarily out. Remember, every mid-term fall has been followed by a rally (note to Socialist types; that rally has only once produced an election victory). There is still a danger of a Labour-Liberal coalition. At the moment here in Wales, I predict that the Conservatives will win back Cardiff North, Aberconwy, Carmarthen West & South Pembrokeshire, with a possible two others (Vale of Clwyd and either Delyn or Brecon & Radnor), but certainly nothing up to the standards of '83.<BR/><BR/>The Liberals will, I predict, hit crisis point somewhere along the line, but until then, so long as they divide the progressive vote, allowing us through the middle, they're welcome to all the centre ground they can find. Although I suspect that ground has been pinched by Cameron, who I would argue is, unlike Brown, a national politician. As well as a leader.Hiraethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745527476050999805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34499459892412804712008-05-09T14:42:00.000+01:002008-05-09T14:42:00.000+01:00Musing on the time warp to 19th century politics.....Musing on the time warp to 19th century politics...<BR/><BR/>Calamity Clegg a Gladstone Mk II?<BR/><BR/>Where is his Irish question? - we already know about the Gladstone Bag aspect of him. Perhaps it will be the Scottish question?<BR/><BR/>And who is going to be the Disraeli of the Tory Party?<BR/><BR/>Osbourne?<BR/><BR/>Will this make Alex Salmond the Parnell of the 21st Century?<BR/><BR/>Will the British Navy have more than one rowing boat then?<BR/><BR/>And who will stand up to the latter-day High Germany, ie The EU?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49392849545463366702008-05-09T13:57:00.000+01:002008-05-09T13:57:00.000+01:00That'll be "infinitesimal" then?That'll be "infinitesimal" then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53975913621307894662008-05-09T13:56:00.000+01:002008-05-09T13:56:00.000+01:00'So what' Balls' rating has hit a deep freeze like...'So what' Balls' rating has hit a deep freeze like reading in chemical labs like -273K! Brown, 'So what 'Balls and other cronies are effectively forzen and fossilised!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33076404472582637322008-05-09T13:52:00.000+01:002008-05-09T13:52:00.000+01:00I still feel the party needs to wait atleast 6 mon...I still feel the party needs to wait atleast 6 months to get over the economic downturn no point in throwing a leader who lacks expeirence into the job during a downturn. <BR/><BR/>Anyway the tory leader was seen as a bully according to a page on the guardian <BR/><BR/>blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgri<BR/>nder/2005/12/steve_busfield.html<BR/><BR/>So why do no tories care about that. Or are only scottish people badly behaved in their view. <BR/><BR/>By the way the conservative party was on 22% in december 1994 while labour was on 61%. So we are not as up the #### as the tories were.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68522918574323211392008-05-09T13:49:00.000+01:002008-05-09T13:49:00.000+01:00Some waning memory of Kinnock's return to the Walw...Some waning memory of Kinnock's return to the Walworth Road HQ in the small hours following GE 1992 still lingers … all the apparatchiks had lined up on the cantilevered staircase to greet their Leader. And at the bottom was Brian Gould. And Neil Kinnock embraced Brian Gould and Brian Gould was in tears. And then on the first step was upcoming master-tactician, Peter Mandelson. An Neil Kinnock embraced Peter Mandelson and Peter Mandelson was in tears. Up and up he went, embracing every last snivelling apparatchik. And they were all in tears…<BR/><BR/>AND THEY WERE ALL IN TEARS!!!<BR/><BR/>Since September 1997 at the latest, stoicism and the stiff upper lip have yielded to lachrymosity as our national criterion of identity. And, as Barry Norman apparently never said, why not? Bring on the weep in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42527865436470944652008-05-09T13:47:00.000+01:002008-05-09T13:47:00.000+01:00So, is there any good news today?Yes Gordon.. here...So, is there any good news today?<BR/><BR/>Yes Gordon.. here in The Sun.<BR/><BR/>My word, you're right. A vindication. I knew things would turn around. I'm the least rubbish of all the cabinet.<BR/>This is the turning point, things are looking up now. If we can just get past today then the Sunday's will be about something other than me for once. Nothing bad today is there?<BR/><BR/>Ermm..BBC has Repossession orders climb by 17% , Mandelson attacks 10p tax policy, and word of a significant rift between Ms Alexander and Mr Brown.<BR/><BR/>Thank God. for a moment I thought i might still be in trouble.Bill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44948893898026212332008-05-09T13:21:00.000+01:002008-05-09T13:21:00.000+01:00Exactly what I wrote in the comments under the pos...Exactly what I wrote in the comments under the post on the poll itself. Nobody has any idea what any of these leaders would do with the Labour party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46471607653524935582008-05-09T13:17:00.000+01:002008-05-09T13:17:00.000+01:00Is Portillio one of Brown's spin meisters?Is Portillio one of Brown's spin meisters?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5685473525809656212008-05-09T13:04:00.000+01:002008-05-09T13:04:00.000+01:00Cassander has it right I think. I would add to tho...Cassander has it right I think. I would add to those remarks, to say that IMO Labour's post-GE problem is going to be far, far worse than the Conservatives' post-1997. <BR/><BR/>As well as losing all their sources of direct finance (sale of peerages, government money laundered through the unions), indirect support (abuse of the civil service, of quango jobs, etc), of free propaganda (the BBC), of rigged votes (Scottish MPs, ghosts voting postally - both sure to be ended), and of local activists (already wiped out at the grassroots), they face something the Conservatives never did, which is a rival party on the same political wing. <BR/><BR/>There was never a chance the Conservatives would disappear, but there is every chance Labour will. <BR/><BR/>How I think it will play out is that Labour MPs will first ally in Parliament with the LibDems and will then individually desert, leaving the party to fold and bilking its "lenders" (good!)<BR/><BR/>There will then be three or four terms of Conservative hegemony before the left regroups into something plausible (and enough time has elapsed for the voters to forget all the lies and bogie-eating). That's 16 years to re-entrench Britons' natural Conservatism. <BR/><BR/>The left is fond of arguing that there's a centre left "consensus", on the grounds that even when the Tories get 44%, 56% of the elctorate "voted against" Conservatism. <BR/><BR/>The flaw in this of course is that last week 74% "voted against" the LibDems and 76% "voted against" Labour. I live in a Lab/Libdem marginal and I make a point of voting for the weaker party. I do this because I'm a Conservative, and I want both those parties to misallocate their campaigning resources to the seat. It doesn't matter to me who wins it, because neither is a Tory, but if we can get the rats fighting each other, then they are that much more thinly spread (and less able to win) against Conservatives elsewhere. <BR/><BR/>Of course, according to Labour, this makes me part of their supposed "centre left consensus" too, because I regularly vote for a left of centre party. We can all see how utterly fallacious that supposition is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46990704151031173832008-05-09T13:02:00.000+01:002008-05-09T13:02:00.000+01:00Whilst none of us is likely to live to know the fi...Whilst none of us is likely to live to know the final verdict,Brown has staked an early claim to be the worst Prime Minister of the 21 st century.<BR/><BR/>God help our children if he doesn't win it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30620759153159019362008-05-09T12:54:00.000+01:002008-05-09T12:54:00.000+01:00Does this mean we can finally recover from the eff...Does this mean we can finally recover from the effects of War Socialism and become Great Britain once more?Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73931077248871179032008-05-09T12:53:00.001+01:002008-05-09T12:53:00.001+01:00I think they'll hang on to Gorgon for a while long...I think they'll hang on to Gorgon for a while longer, but their polling will continue to slowly drop. Finally, as we saw last week, even their core tribal voters have begun to finally see the light (about bloody time too).<BR/><BR/>There is no good news on the horizon:<BR/>Economy, crime, debt, repossessions, food prices, strikes, NHS, fuel prices, taxation, inflation, etc.<BR/><BR/>Eventually NuLab's nerve will break, and Gorgon will be forcibly stepped down (or carried off) in favour of probably Straw.<BR/><BR/>And they're bankrupt.<BR/><BR/>Good-bye Labour. History won't be kind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70747961159059393172008-05-09T12:53:00.000+01:002008-05-09T12:53:00.000+01:00On those figures, the Conservatives would have a m...On those figures, the Conservatives would have a majority in the House of Commons of 288! Seats like Glasgow North would go Tory!<BR/><BR/>Tony Blair must be pissing himself laughing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30710913167632420212008-05-09T12:25:00.000+01:002008-05-09T12:25:00.000+01:00A truly excellent post fron cassander - says it al...A truly excellent post fron cassander - says it all really. Labour = a temporary aberration. Back to normal now methinks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67375567711783529522008-05-09T12:00:00.000+01:002008-05-09T12:00:00.000+01:00Absolutely hilarious !!!!!!!!!You don't get it Gor...Absolutely hilarious !!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>You don't get it Gordon ! You've lost mate. Give it up and just go .......NOW !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76741750148652838132008-05-09T11:54:00.000+01:002008-05-09T11:54:00.000+01:00I believe the Labour party is now for all practica...I believe the Labour party is now for all practical purposes extinct. The next time a Conservative government loses a General Election - sometime in the 2020's - it will be to the LibDems (or whatever they are calling themselves then). There will of course be a die-hard remnant of people calling themselves Labour, but they will be much like Arthur Scargill now - unrecognised by most and just a painful memory for those who do know who they are.<BR/><BR/>In fact, the Labour party actually became extinct towards the end of the 1980's, together with all other manifestations of socialism - it was a 20th century phenomenon. Certainly, Tony Blair was able to seize upon the Labour brand and turn the party into a machine for getting himself and his best friends to the top of the greasy pole. But it was no longer the real Labour party - New Labour was only ever the Tony Blair Fan Club.<BR/><BR/>With Tony now gone, Labour is rapidly crumbling away - it is reverting to its natural trend. Look at membership levels, not to speak of the state of its finances.<BR/><BR/>Couldn't somebody revive it again, like Blair did? No, because now there is no longer any value in the Labour brand - all of that value has been sucked out and a crumpled shell is all that remains.<BR/><BR/>So my prediction is British politics will return to a two-party format much like it was at the beginning of the 20th century - and the two parties competing will be the same as they were then. In the long run, Labour was just another unhappy reflection of a troubled century.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24144910005833008352008-05-09T11:41:00.000+01:002008-05-09T11:41:00.000+01:0011.18am: I meant "'smooth transition' from Blair t...11.18am: I meant "'smooth transition' from Blair to Brown", of course...Richard Nabavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11528980060497008785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85313335823173413612008-05-09T11:37:00.000+01:002008-05-09T11:37:00.000+01:00Can Gordon Brown please go now, it really is getti...Can Gordon Brown please go now, it really is getting too painful to watch. I couldn't help but feel sorry for him after watching him on This morning... And I've been campaigning against him for months... Slow and painful is never good, like a waxing strip quick with a slight "ouch". Smooth and healthy thereafter. Please Gordon, just take the high road. You're tried your best, you held your ground, floods and all. Some things are just not meant to be, just go or please stop with the tv appearances, we're in enough pain as it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1205840190493409492008-05-09T11:28:00.000+01:002008-05-09T11:28:00.000+01:00Blue Eyes,Not quite, but very probably the second ...Blue Eyes,<BR/><BR/>Not quite, but very probably the second best Prime Minister we've had in the 21st Century.Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445624135697167219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63879763991032732462008-05-09T11:19:00.000+01:002008-05-09T11:19:00.000+01:00I think Gordon Brown is the best Prime Minister we...I think Gordon Brown is the best Prime Minister we've ever had.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66905698910467678882008-05-09T11:18:00.000+01:002008-05-09T11:18:00.000+01:00Yes, this is almost totally meaningless (except ma...Yes, this is almost totally meaningless (except maybe the negative views on Harriet Harman and Ed Balls). For example, I doubt whether most voters have much idea who James Purnell is. And even MPs who know and work with their colleagues for years often have little real idea how a new leader would actually turn out in practice. <BR/><BR/>In all, I think they'll stick with Brown. There's no clear alternative, and the last thing they want is a long drawn-out leadership battle, which would totally torpedo the only message they've got, which is 'continuity' and building on what they portray as their successes. Risible though this is, it's the only strategy available to them after 11 years in power and the 'smooth transition' from Brown to Blair - remember that?<BR/><BR/>And let's not get too excited about the poll as a whole. It's a long time to the general election (unless Brown flips completely, which I doubt). It's not won until those votes are safely in the ballot boxes.Richard Nabavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11528980060497008785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90857962132588024992008-05-09T11:12:00.000+01:002008-05-09T11:12:00.000+01:00I've noticed that about Burnham too. He looks like...I've noticed that about Burnham too. He looks like Steve Strange. What a party of weirdoes they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3248156733802733832008-05-09T11:04:00.000+01:002008-05-09T11:04:00.000+01:00Saw Purnell on ITV earlier on. He was putting on t...Saw Purnell on ITV earlier on. He was putting on the now usual 'kick the sick' attitude that Labour hopes will get it some BNP votes - yes, they are that desperate.<BR/><BR/>Straw would be better than Brown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com