tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1314516809800001933..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Gordon's News Sandwich Short of a PicnicIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59262920575776411982010-09-30T05:56:47.028+01:002010-09-30T05:56:47.028+01:00Thanks for share this information, I just know abo...Thanks for share this information, I just know about that,and will get advantage from this,Thanks for share this.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.berkeley-term-papers.com" rel="nofollow">custom essay</a>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10667255226487557679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19086014553440492312009-04-25T01:32:00.000+01:002009-04-25T01:32:00.000+01:00"I remember working with Paraffin lamps on my desk..."I remember working with Paraffin lamps on my desk."<br /><br />But not, apparently, which party was in office at the time.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-929260956461707962009-04-24T20:43:00.000+01:002009-04-24T20:43:00.000+01:00So Lord Snooty, you assert that
Brown is short te...So Lord Snooty, you assert that<br /><br />Brown is short tempered, but it is a non-story.<br /><br />That Brown is not short tempered, it is a grubby smear.<br /><br />Can you spot the contradiction?<br /><br />You claim that the "public" sector workers are not motivated by making money for themselves.<br /><br />Then you note that "public sector" are of course motivated by making money for themselves.<br /><br />Are you following this?<br /><br />Then you claim that it is "ironic" to claim that the Left love the public sector because New Labour has been "massively criticised" for their contracting out policy.<br /><br />When I pointed out that the criticism has been from the Left your response was that I am <br /><br />"just repeating" what you said, or "refuting points" you "never made."<br /><br />I am curious, has it occurred to to you that you are, how can I put this in words you understand, rather stupid?wildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437167510102273197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48076078203355214732009-04-24T19:17:00.000+01:002009-04-24T19:17:00.000+01:00Wild
Your responses to my comments consist either...Wild<br /><br />Your responses to my comments consist either of just repeating what I said or else refuting points that I never made. I'm not sure that we are going to get very far. It is also rather tedious for everybody else. So I will sign off here. Have a good weekend.Lord Snootynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65917467363391462332009-04-24T19:16:00.000+01:002009-04-24T19:16:00.000+01:00That's why he's known as the Prime Mentalist, afte...That's why he's known as the Prime Mentalist, after all!The Grim Reaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543130733645367498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83806730827693541552009-04-24T17:26:00.000+01:002009-04-24T17:26:00.000+01:00Lord Snooty,
It would be wrong to suggest that L...Lord Snooty, <br /><br />It would be wrong to suggest that Labour ministers could not get a job in the private sector. As I understand it the bloke who ran the NHS used to run a small bookshop. That was what the market judged to be his level of expertise.<br /><br />Of course politicians on the Left strive to exercise as much power as possible. Why would a small thing such as ignorance stop a politician from thinking they know best.<br /><br />You seem to think that you ought to be given a gold star for observing that some people in the private sector are not very good at their jobs. Let me point out to you that if you find out that a builder is no good, you employ another builder. If however the government take away your money, you have to rely on what "public servants" give you. I would prefer it if I could spend my money on who or what I think is best for my needs.<br /><br />By the way a big proportion of the money extracted from the taxpayer goes on the staff who administer the "public services" i.e. they take money (on the grounds that it is to help the poor) and spend it on themselves. It is why Guardian readers (who generally work in the "public services") are so keen on higher taxes. It redistributes money from the poor to themselves. <br /><br />For some reason ignoring the wishes of the user leads "public servants" to have a reputation for inefficiency, over staffing, poor service, and high cost. It is a mystery - especially since (as you point out) public sector unions are so public spirited.<br /><br />By the way "contracting out" is not a "Leftist" policy, which probably why most Labour Party members were (and are) opposed to it.wildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437167510102273197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44226352408680822602009-04-24T15:45:00.000+01:002009-04-24T15:45:00.000+01:00Lord Snooty,
Frothing at the mouth from my sun fi...Lord Snooty,<br /><br />Frothing at the mouth from my sun filled patio, I don't think so.<br /><br />Just expressing my despair at the wretched people that inhabit the corridors of power.<br /><br />We can debate public versus private till the cows come home. The bottom line is that without a wealth creating tax paying private sector a country cannot pay for all its social services.<br /><br />It's not rocket science. It's called budgeting for the future. Did your parents never tell you to put something aside for a rainy day?<br /><br />Brown and Blair believed all the crap about the" third way". About a land of perpetual milk and honey.<br /><br />It's utterly laughable. It's also rather serious, not to say sad, that the UK finds itself burdened with such eye-watering debt.<br /><br />Labour's management of the economy has been utterly catastrophic. Sure, the recession is worldwide. But if Brown had been doing his job properly the effects of the recession would be less damaging.<br /><br />If it was a Tory or Lib Dem who had so mismanaged the economy I'd be letting off at them too.<br /><br />It's just that Labour have "form" when it comes to screwing up the economy.<br /><br />And where's Mr Blair as his New Labour project melts like a jelly. Oh I forgot, people go and pay to listen to his speeches. Sad souls. He and his New Labour crew have nothing of interest to say.<br /><br />The bottom line is that Jacqui and her 88p bathplug encapsulates the end of Labour.<br /><br />However, let's not kid ourselves, the incoming government will go the same way. They all do.PIENOMICShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846925617061061673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32169477186288130562009-04-24T15:32:00.000+01:002009-04-24T15:32:00.000+01:00Wild
You 'suggest' many things. Let me put it to ...Wild<br /><br />You 'suggest' many things. Let me put it to you that you are talking a load of cobblers.<br /><br />The original point to which I was responding was that it was some kind of devastating critique to say that most ministers would never get a job in the private sector. I merely made the point that that is hardly a demanding test (see banking idiots) and that slagging off the public sector is to ignore the many good things that go on there.<br /><br />Your claim that 'left' politicians love the public sector because it gives them more control is particularly ironic. New Labour has been massively criticised by many within the public sector because it has been so keen to contract services out to the private sector. You really are talking nonsense.Lord Snootynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9160267036547902782009-04-24T15:24:00.000+01:002009-04-24T15:24:00.000+01:00yep, by the time Conservatives win next election, ...yep, by the time Conservatives win next election, will need to fire the civil servants, sell Downing Street to raise funds and work out of nearest coffee shop on a laptop.JoeFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00426110406226256686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39570635841450732932009-04-24T15:14:00.000+01:002009-04-24T15:14:00.000+01:00Lord Snooty,
You assert that people in the "publi...Lord Snooty,<br /><br />You assert that people in the "public" sector are generally "motivated by more noble aims than enrichment" unlike those in the private sector. You argue that most people in the public sector have "good intentions" unlike those who are motivated by making money. <br /><br />When it is pointed out to you that people who work in the public sector also work for money (and do not work any harder than in the private sector) you respond that you never sought to deny it.<br /><br />When it is pointed out to you that the Labour government is doing a bad job (because it is spending more than the nation can afford on "public services") you reply that you do not deny it.<br /><br />Let me put it to you that politicians on the Left are keen on "public" rather than "private" services not because they think that people in the public sector are more efficient, or give a better service, but because they know it gives politicians more power.<br /><br />I suggest that the Trade Unions are keen on the public sector not because they are more "noble" (as you put it) but because they can make demands (for example for higher staffing levels or higher pension demands) that the private sector could not afford because the extra costs will be funded by the taxpayer.<br /><br />In short I suggest that people in the "public sector" are thinking less about the "public" and more about themselves.wildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437167510102273197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24949350681647002472009-04-24T15:12:00.000+01:002009-04-24T15:12:00.000+01:00"Anonymous Lord Snooty said...
I don't think men..."Anonymous Lord Snooty said...<br /><br /><br />I don't think mental illness is a suitable topic for personal attacks (or 'humour') like this. <br /><br />Well, well, that's really funny because McBride and Draper did."<br /><br />Yes, but I don't. Not sure what the relevance of McBride and Draper is to my opinion, Cato.Lord Snootynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54956070212527156972009-04-24T14:26:00.000+01:002009-04-24T14:26:00.000+01:00Anonymous Lord Snooty said...
I don't th...Anonymous Lord Snooty said...<br /><br /> <br /> I don't think mental illness is a suitable topic for personal attacks (or 'humour') like this. <br /><br /><B>Well, well, that's really funny because McBride and Draper did.</B>Catosayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02885445175868379750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44467079573990519762009-04-24T14:17:00.000+01:002009-04-24T14:17:00.000+01:00Sorry to disappoint you, Denverthen. After the nex...Sorry to disappoint you, Denverthen. After the next General Election, all these 'toadying hoons' as you so charmingly put it, will be highlighting the car-crash government led by the shallow lightweight Cameron and his team of second-rate duffers.<br /><br />Also, just to clarify - in what way am I a 'toadying hoon' given that on this thread I've agreed that this is a bad government (explicitly) and that Brown is a poor PM (implicitly). Are you a 'thick hoon' or can you just not read very well?Lord Snootynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19906906317674361272009-04-24T14:09:00.000+01:002009-04-24T14:09:00.000+01:00That was pretty strong stuff of Bloomberg. You get...That was pretty strong stuff of Bloomberg. You get the impression that No10 has completely lost control of the news agenda and the briefing: the 'message'. The Smeargate effect?<br /><br />Mind you, I have a tiny bit of sympathy for Brown. Since he has completely destroyed the British economy he has every right to feel bloody angry, just like the rest of us.<br /><br />Next stop: General Election (and I still reckon it will be this year; it will be out of Broon's hands). Then we can wave goodbye to the smug, bankrupt socialist tripe frequently spouted by toadying hoons like Paul and Snooty on these pages.<br /><br />Can't wait.Jon Lishmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07272058035800593800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81337310820826833642009-04-24T13:56:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:56:00.000+01:00Wild said:
"Lord Snooty,
Yes, this is a bad gove...Wild said:<br /><br />"Lord Snooty,<br /><br />Yes, this is a bad government, and no, having your wages funded by the taxpayer does not ipso facto make you work harder or more efficiently."<br /><br />I'm not sure why you're directing this at me. I haven't said anything to the contrary. And, for the record, I agree with both your points.Lord Snootynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85166745880947330042009-04-24T13:52:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:52:00.000+01:00Come, come, Pogo. You will need to do a bit better...Come, come, Pogo. You will need to do a bit better than that.<br /><br />The purpose of the private sector is to make money. Fact. I did not mention the word 'greed', that was you. <br /><br />Having worked in both, my experience has been that the vast majority of people in the public sector entered it with noble intentions, even if these diminished over time. Yes, of course, they also do these jobs to earn a living. I didn't say otherwise.Lord Snootynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53895551884831837302009-04-24T13:37:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:37:00.000+01:00Lord Snooty,
Yes, this is a bad government, and n...Lord Snooty,<br /><br />Yes, this is a bad government, and no, having your wages funded by the taxpayer does not ipso facto make you work harder or more efficiently.wildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437167510102273197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91281197137193078272009-04-24T13:30:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:30:00.000+01:00@Lord Snooty: Most people in the public sector (do...@Lord Snooty: <I>Most people in the public sector (doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers etc) have good intentions and are motivated by a public service ethic. Most people in the private sector are motivated by making money for themselves.</I>No. Most people in the public sector, like most people in the private sector, are motivated by earning a living sufficient to support them and, if they have them, their families.<br /><br />There is undoubtedly a greed for money displayed by some of those at "the top" of the private sector, equally there is an alarming greed for <I>power</I> at "the top" of the public sector.<br /><br /><I>...Simple facts.</I>Only to one as simple as you.Pogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10812765444160924585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64776419192166914032009-04-24T13:26:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:26:00.000+01:00So let me get this straight
1) Brown has temper t...So let me get this straight<br /><br />1) Brown has temper tantrums<br /><br />2) Brown does does not have temper tantrums - it is journalist making up stories<br /><br />3) Brown does have temper tantrums - but it is an old story and therefore boring and should not be repeated<br /><br />4) Brown does not have temper tantrums - it is a grubby Tory smear<br /><br />5) Brown does have temper tantrums - but it is irrelevant and does not matter<br /><br />6) Brown does not have temper tantrums - people only claim this in order to imply that he is mentally ill which is wrong<br /><br />7) Brown does have temper tantrums but this does not make him mentally ill<br /><br />So that is clear then.wildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437167510102273197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39167582271007877402009-04-24T13:24:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:24:00.000+01:00If you say "pay no attention, its a smear" at what...If you say "pay no attention, its a smear" at what stage are we allowed to pay attention to it? When a Downing Street spokesman is authorised to make a statement on the record that Brown is a fruitcake? That seems to be leaving things rather late. And as to lack of substantiation, if the MPs expenses video of 3 days ago isn't evidence of madness then what is?<br /><br />Oh and let's be clear: Mrs Brown is mad would be unacceptable because irrelevant, as would Mr Brown has an embarrassing disease. Mr Brown is mad is another matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83131412970170162292009-04-24T13:23:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:23:00.000+01:00The Register website is now publicising a new peti...The Register website is now publicising a new petition to make this PM resign. It won't make a difference as the man has no shame, but it would good to get a million signatures!<br /><br />Here's the website address.<br /><br />http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/please-go/Squiffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10738781410697312232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27811726607787914312009-04-24T13:20:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:20:00.000+01:00Could we not petition the Queen to dissolve parlia...Could we not petition the Queen to dissolve parliament in these troubled times and call an election.<br />Surely if enough of her subjects request it she might actually do what she must surely want to and it would be quicker than waiting for a vote of no confidence in the House?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91077533665264107152009-04-24T13:19:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:19:00.000+01:00@pete-s
At the point that I saw your comment, I w...@pete-s<br /><br />At the point that I saw your comment, I was one of only about 3 people who had commented 'in support' of Brown and I had done so on more occasions than anyone else. I assumed you were referring to me. Perhaps I was wrong.<br /><br />I am intrigued though - what you you actually mean by 'troll'?Lord Snootynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40994804354723679052009-04-24T13:17:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:17:00.000+01:00Pienomics
I can almost see you frothing at the mo...Pienomics<br /><br />I can almost see you frothing at the mouth! Calm down!<br /><br />I scarcely know where to begin in responding to you because you say so many silly things. Just a selection:<br /><br />- Your recollections of Labour governments past are fun but what about the 3 day week under Heath? Or 15% interest rates under Major? Governments of all colours have had their fair share of disastrous times.<br /><br />- 'TB/GB have wrecked the economy'. Open your eyes. The world is in recession. How can you seriously claim this is all the fault of the British government? <br /><br />- They are not my 'labour chums'. I'm not a member of their party and in fact I've only occasionally voted for them (looking just at General Elections, I have voted Labour in less than half of those in my adult lifetime).<br /><br />- I don't know whether the Tories will be better either. But I suspect they will be worse because the heart of their Government - Cameron/Osborne - is so lightweight, shallow and inexperienced.<br /><br />- My comparison was between the public and private sectors. I wasn't just talking about politicians. Most people in the public sector (doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers etc) have good intentions and are motivated by a public service ethic. Most people in the private sector are motivated by making money for themselves. Simple facts. Whether today's politicans have lost the public service ethic is an interesting question but not one that I raised or passed any comment on.Lord Snootynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86597765346106030632009-04-24T13:08:00.000+01:002009-04-24T13:08:00.000+01:00Brown will be like one of his mobile phones at the...Brown will be like one of his mobile phones at the next election: Crushed and the wiring will have gone haywire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com