tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1311594123325270813..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: The Trials of Being Harriet HarmanIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59963440000033279742008-04-29T11:15:00.000+01:002008-04-29T11:15:00.000+01:00verity said..."Calm down and get out of the busine...<B>verity said...</B><BR/><BR/>"Calm down and get out of the business of trying to regulate how other people live."<BR/><BR/>Well said, Verity. You are correct (not for the first time).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51286394757129541012008-04-29T01:01:00.000+01:002008-04-29T01:01:00.000+01:00Verity : We do not own our own bodies. That is a t...Verity : We do not own our own bodies. That is a tenet of English and Welsh Law. You cannot sell your blood because you don’t own it. Americans can sell their blood because they do own their own bodies. In addition, you cannot force your Executors or Administrators to bury or cremate you,. They can do what with your body ,because you do not own it. So, you are in error (not for the first time).M. Hristovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13916257985347991350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38686042895704418882008-04-28T22:49:00.000+01:002008-04-28T22:49:00.000+01:00I'm sick of the argument that prostitutes are 'des...I'm sick of the argument that prostitutes are 'desperate and have no alternative'. Eh? If I was desperate I'd get a cleaning job and a room in a hostel, not a short skirt and a crack-habit. <BR/><BR/>Pity those who are victims of people-smuggling by all means - and get our fancy new Border Patrol to do something about it - but let's not pretend that the majority of prostitutes have 'no choice'. <BR/><BR/>Oh and Verity's absolutely right about 'the myth that never was'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52800259229011737732008-04-28T13:35:00.000+01:002008-04-28T13:35:00.000+01:00Asquith - You're running off at the mouth again, d...Asquith - You're running off at the mouth again, drooling naive rubbish that has already been addressed.<BR/><BR/>Prostitution is legal. L-e-g-a-l. That means it's not against the law. Please don't write: "Legalise prostitution...". It is legal. <BR/><BR/>Matt Severn, other than drug addicts, interviews and articles I have read about prostitutes makes clear that prostitutes regard themselves as using men. Beverly Johnson above would seem to be of the same opinion. They don't feel exploited. Calm down and get out of the business of trying to regulate how other people live.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71864032532417693372008-04-28T11:32:00.000+01:002008-04-28T11:32:00.000+01:00beverly johnson said... "Frankly I look down on [H...<B>beverly johnson said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"Frankly I look down on [Harperson] and other of her ilk."<BR/><BR/>You are very right to do so. Excellent post by the way, injecting some much needed honesty and reality into the, mostly, nonsense being spouted here.<BR/><BR/>It is very noticeable here, and in life generally, that very few women have a problem with prostitution and most of those who do clearly have personal problems or very small brains or both. The men usually know nothing about it presumably because they are so insubstantial they are too embarrassed even to hire a professional service. The rubbish they spout can only come from boys still stuck at believing girls are made of sugar and spice, sexist pigs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36298544182725527122008-04-28T07:43:00.000+01:002008-04-28T07:43:00.000+01:00I am a prostitute and frankly I do not see myself...I am a prostitute and frankly I do not see myself as exploited or vulnerable. I came from a poor family background with minimal education with one advantage , men found me attractive. I turned this to my advantage and at 35 I am financially secure for the rest of my life , I have 3 houses of my own, have bought my parents a house , work when I want to ( at £150 per hour with minimal outgoings you can see why) , I pay taxes through my "model " company , I have over a million invested and I have a very good life .<BR/>Maany of my clients are regulars and good friends but I also have an enjoyable social life outside of work. I also now have a degree via Open University and 3 ex-collegues used the business to assist their getting degrees in accountancy, law and teaching.<BR/>I have several friends in the business and none feel exploited. The numbers on drugs are zero , your correspondent whose wife works with prostitutes clearly works at the street level not with brothels or escorts.<BR/>There are ample laws already governing drug dealing, forced sex workers , prostitution etc and NO more are needed . all the police should do is implement the laws.<BR/>The problem with failures like Harperson is that they do not understand that escorting is one of the best routes for female emancipation and financial security , they like to occupy a position of superiority over what they describe as their own less fortunate sisters . Frankly I look down on her and other of her ilk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43957337671727474392008-04-28T05:37:00.000+01:002008-04-28T05:37:00.000+01:00I'm not so sure, Matt Severn. If women are in legi...I'm not so sure, Matt Severn. If women are in legitimate, regulated, (and dare I say tax-paying) brothels their welfare can be guaranteed by the police. They won't be on the streets doing that repulsive business that is carried out now. Many brothels are half-connived at. But we don't know if illegally trafficked or exploited women are in there. <BR/><BR/>Legalise prostitution & drugs, then you'll knock all the really lowlife dealers/pimps out with one blow.asquithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246701347539264295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57696468975961978492008-04-28T01:50:00.000+01:002008-04-28T01:50:00.000+01:00Matt Severn, who writes: 3. Legalising or regulati...Matt Severn, who writes: <I>3. Legalising or regulating prostitution will not help those women or the fabric of wider society.</I><BR/><BR/>I've pointed out in the post above that prostitution isn't illegal. Do please get this point before posting again under an illusion; and then you add: "will not help those women or the fabric of wider society."<BR/><BR/>I have absolutely no interest in helping "those women". <BR/><BR/>See, this is where free trade conservatives and controlling socialists differ. We don't feel driven to "help" people who are living a life that's not to our taste, but is none of our business.<BR/><BR/>As Newmania says: "The people pretending to care about prostitutes( but usually only indulging in half baked prurient fantasy) are often the same ones responsible for the moral collapse , rape and degradation we see all around us .<BR/><BR/>"The progressive left"<BR/><BR/>Well said, Newmania!<BR/><BR/>Matt Severn: We're not interested in your fantasies about "saving" prostitutes. They're living lives independent of your fatherly concern.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43203927623888735382008-04-28T01:16:00.000+01:002008-04-28T01:16:00.000+01:00Matt Severn - "2. Many prostitutes, forced into it...Matt Severn - "2. Many prostitutes, forced into it against their will by poverty,". You mean the council flat, free electricity, gas and water plus "benefits" to pay for food, lottery tickets, alcohol and ciggies equates to "poverty"? <BR/><BR/>It's not "poverty", Matt Severn, but drug habits. That is their problem and it's not my problem. They can deal with it or not deal with it, yes? If they want to fuel their drug habit, they can become prostitutes. They are free people, prostitution is legal and that is their choice.<BR/><BR/>I am not a monitor of other people's thoughts or choices of legal activities. <BR/><BR/>How does their failure translate into my problem and the problem of others who work for a living?<BR/><BR/>You are a wee bit obsessive on this subject, as you refer to "legalising it". Prostitution has always been legal in Britain. It is legal today, as indeed it should be. Soliciting on the street is not legal because it inconveniences other people - especially women who are not prostitutes. Same for kerb crawling by men. Not legal and is an assault on innocent women going about their daily business. But prostitution is perfectly legal.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, this society has one hell of a lot more important things, like aggressive Islam from the people we allowed into our own back yard, drug crime and teen-age murderers of adults, to worry about than someone paying for a quick roll in the hay at a price agreed upon by both parties.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77381725236026875682008-04-28T00:34:00.000+01:002008-04-28T00:34:00.000+01:00Verity/Newmania. We usually agree on quite a few t...Verity/Newmania. We usually agree on quite a few things as we all seem to believe a minimal amount of govt. regulation is better.<BR/><BR/>But I think that you have to agree that many prostitutes enter the game through coercion (people smuggling)or because they are so desperate they have no other alternative they can see.<BR/><BR/>However, some do probably go on the game because it is a lucrative business and easy to make quick cash.<BR/><BR/>I probably think that prostitution should be legal, but that doesn't mean that prostitutes should be denied legal protection and help to get out of what is a fairly grubby job. I do think that kerb crawling should be targetted though.<BR/><BR/>We need an open debate about it.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514885826616402615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39765436382760534002008-04-28T00:05:00.000+01:002008-04-28T00:05:00.000+01:00verity:1. I am not a socialist.2. Many prostitutes...verity:<BR/><BR/>1. I am not a socialist.<BR/>2. Many prostitutes, forced into it against their will by poverty, people trafficking, drug addiction, mental illness etc will most assuredly identify as oppressed. <BR/>3. Legalising or regulating prostitution will not help those women or the fabric of wider society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45485374273138973862008-04-27T23:07:00.000+01:002008-04-27T23:07:00.000+01:00Verity. Stop whingeing about being impersonated an...Verity. Stop whingeing about being impersonated and get yourself a proper identity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33873130935632344312008-04-27T21:12:00.000+01:002008-04-27T21:12:00.000+01:00If a woman ,or man ,wishes to sell sex what is the...If a woman ,or man ,wishes to sell sex what is the problem then ?I can see there are un-edifying ancillary consequences but morally, what is the problem at this final point ?The thing is surely to create a society in which such a transaction is not the everyday alternative it is now. This means rolling back the revolting tide of permissive post sixties relativism and creating a moral rearmament.<BR/>The people pretending to care about prostitutes( but usually only indulging in half baked prurient fantasy) are often the same ones responsible for the moral collapse , rape and degradation we see all around us .<BR/><BR/>The progressive left<BR/><BR/>(The WI have some good ideas actually but then they are not just posturing)<BR/><BR/>'Sex workers' ha ha that is New Labour-ese. I like the way they call the poor dupes that finance their fat state sinecures "Clients"Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24299889132452080902008-04-27T21:00:00.000+01:002008-04-27T21:00:00.000+01:00The News of the World talked this story up so much...The News of the World talked this story up so much that you'd think a tri-lingual bisexual had three tongues!Ed Keohanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16214167169821339436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36404116451134382822008-04-27T20:31:00.000+01:002008-04-27T20:31:00.000+01:00Matt Severn, I would advise you to mind your own b...Matt Severn, I would advise you to mind your own business. If the prostitutes are under-age, it most assuredly is a concern for the law.<BR/><BR/>If they are of legal age and choose to go into prostitution, that is not the concern of posturing busybodies such as yourself. <BR/><BR/>In addition, I am assuming you have never seen prostitutes interviewed, or read interviews with them, otherwise you could not have failed to notice that female prostitutes see themselves as the <I>exploiters</I> and men as the exploited.<BR/><BR/>They think men are stupid, and that's why they refer to them as tricks.<BR/><BR/>Pimping, however, is illegal and the woman can get help from the police if she chooses. Most don't choose. That's their business. You socialists must control your urge to legislate every last shred of human behaviour, so ditch the paternalism and back off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10021543724294779912008-04-27T19:44:00.000+01:002008-04-27T19:44:00.000+01:00Expressing serious concerns about the exploitation...Expressing serious concerns about the exploitation of women is not bleating, no matter which party the politician saying it comes from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8535469565412254752008-04-27T19:31:00.000+01:002008-04-27T19:31:00.000+01:00[5:44] - Haven't a clue. Ask the vacuous little t...[5:44] - Haven't a clue. Ask the vacuous little troll who thinks appending someone else's name to his idiot post is a skill.<BR/><BR/>I pointed out, above, that the post wasn't written by me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21351331317510690912008-04-27T18:58:00.000+01:002008-04-27T18:58:00.000+01:00Wendy Alexander may have a cunning plan to deal wi...Wendy Alexander may have a <A HREF="http://cybernat.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-wendy-can-frighten-snp.html" REL="nofollow">cunning plan</A> to deal with the SNP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73862299242764108162008-04-27T17:44:00.000+01:002008-04-27T17:44:00.000+01:00verity said... "I am large, I contain multitudes."...verity said... <BR/>"I am large, I contain multitudes."<BR/><BR/>Multitudes of what?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77905554789450801022008-04-27T17:11:00.000+01:002008-04-27T17:11:00.000+01:00Oh noes, I've been cut down by the mighty verity! ...Oh noes, I've been cut down by the mighty verity! How will my self-esteem ever recover? I might as well just go and end it all now.<BR/><BR/>And it will be someone else's fault, not mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18768310548841651482008-04-27T17:05:00.000+01:002008-04-27T17:05:00.000+01:00[2:56 Verity Manqué] Why don't you give up? You ...<B>[2:56 Verity Manqué]</B> Why don't you give up? You have a tin ear. Mimicry isn't your metier. Trainspotting as a hobby should not be beyond your talents.<BR/><BR/>M Hristov - That is ridiculous because the the killee does not consent to the action performed on him by either the purchaser of the service (the one who orders the murder) or the one who executes it.<BR/><BR/>Don't be so silly. How dare you assume you have the domain over other people's bodies? If they want to rent them out, for whatever reason, how does this merit your interference?<BR/><BR/>Tom FD - All I know is, Harriet Harman makes John Prescott sick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8577424682137102232008-04-27T16:40:00.000+01:002008-04-27T16:40:00.000+01:00"Later on in the paper review both George Galloway..."Later on in the paper review both George Galloway and Edwina Currie rightly said that it would be better for the Police to spend time enforcing laws that were actually enforceable. Prostitution has gone on since time began and no amount of law making will stop it."<BR/><BR/>I hope this means you accept drugs should be legalised on the same basis. The drug laws are completely unenforceable too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9002939603789450172008-04-27T15:31:00.000+01:002008-04-27T15:31:00.000+01:00She is rapidly becoming as valuable to frontline p...She is rapidly becoming as valuable to frontline politics as John Prescott used to be!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66648758032736901182008-04-27T14:56:00.001+01:002008-04-27T14:56:00.001+01:002:21,Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I con...2:21,<BR/><BR/>Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74052048363120897992008-04-27T14:56:00.000+01:002008-04-27T14:56:00.000+01:00Verity : Contract killing is a private transaction...Verity : Contract killing is a private transaction between two people. I suppose you think that should be legalised. Why do you think that prostitution is any more savoury? Young girls ruined by over use. Very nice and humane (not)!!!M. Hristovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13916257985347991350noreply@blogger.com