tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post1246786630681120235..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Griffin Bombs on Question TimeIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger174125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9498398800881005272009-10-24T18:16:57.750+01:002009-10-24T18:16:57.750+01:00Re opinion in Dagenham, Burnley etc:
http://www.g...Re opinion in Dagenham, Burnley etc:<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/table/2009/jun/09/european-elections-elections-2009<br /><br />In the Euro Elections the BNP got 6%, the poll in the Dully Tele now gives them 4%.<br /><br />UKIP pose a larger threat to the Tories than the BNP does to anyone. Check the figures from the election above.Quietzapplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422598703061456846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40611525031571669722009-10-24T17:08:32.275+01:002009-10-24T17:08:32.275+01:00I agree with you that if or perhaps when Griffin i...I agree with you that if or perhaps when Griffin is replaced by someone with a sharper intelligence (rather than guile) it will present a more frightening prospect.<br /><br />However I though Warsi was evasive and impressionistically cold about civil partnerships which is off message and offputting for someone claiming to shadow "communities" - a little telling and in other circumstances she should be quizzed more closely on this matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16484037380442369092009-10-24T11:52:09.362+01:002009-10-24T11:52:09.362+01:00Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Ja...Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett has said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were reluctant to discuss such a move deliberately intended "to rub the Right's nose in diversity" publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote".<br /> <br /> May we now expect next week's QT to be devoted to a lynching of the Labour representative for that dishonest & destructive fraud against the people? Or will they censor any mention of it?<br /> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.htmlneil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45841063209661247182009-10-24T11:38:26.241+01:002009-10-24T11:38:26.241+01:00The problem with this blog and more so at Guidos i...The problem with this blog and more so at Guidos is that too many contributors are fellow travellers of the BNP and in denial about it.<br /><br />The BNP are out in force here anyway, lying, dissembling, ranting as ever. <br /><br />UKIP are out in force "I'm not a BNP voter but... blah blah blah.. Griffin is right "<br /><br />Tories are out in force <br />"Straw was awful, the BBC was awful, Huhne was awful, Warsi was great, the BNP is all Labour's fault"<br /><br />The truth is you're all supporting Griffin inadvertently. It's no use waving a different bottle around when the drink inside is the same.<br /><br />The only way to oppose the BNP is to face the fact that there is no immigration problem. <br /><br />We could fit another 10m people here no problem. In fact we'll need them just to pay for our aging population. <br /><br />Global warming means we may have to take in millions more very soon anyway in order to save their lives. We'll do it because we're Christains and helping refugees is the Christian thing to do. QED.<br /><br />That's what makes me proud to be British.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30520676843753260312009-10-24T08:42:51.864+01:002009-10-24T08:42:51.864+01:00If you think only working class (whatever that mea...If you think only working class (whatever that means) people vote for the bnp, you need to cast your mind back to when their membership list was stolen and made public.<br /><br />There were lawyers, police and even clergy among their membership; and that's their actual membership, not just people who would vote for them secretly.<br /><br />The mainstream political parties could easily burst the bnp balloon by actually adressing the serious concerns of people.<br /><br />It's not just caucasians who are concerned about immigration levels.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55504655009954306852009-10-23T22:05:36.401+01:002009-10-23T22:05:36.401+01:00I'm afraid I disagree that Griffin was left un...I'm afraid I disagree that Griffin was left uncomfortable for most of the show. <br />I think the MPs on the panel played right into his hands. Instead of having to defend indefensible views he hardly had to speak... Every time he opened his mouth the blabbering Jack Straw or simply patronising Warsi jumped down his throat meaning he didn't have to defend his simply racist views.<br />He should have been allowed to speak, then the others could annihilate his policy. This has been one of the only proven methods of destroying the almost plausible veneer he has created for the BNP. <br />If they had done this we would have been shown his true nature, a disgustingly fascist little man...Calum Forbeshttp://forbesanotheropinion.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78082107124921842632009-10-23T21:21:51.041+01:002009-10-23T21:21:51.041+01:00A feeble QT. No examination of the issues, which...A feeble QT. No examination of the issues, which would have exposed the ghastly (very very)FAR LEFT WING views of the BNP. The panelists were almost always trying to outdo each other in moaning anout Griffin. The result in my view was that hardly a glove was laid on Griffin, when he should have been cut to pieces. Straw was incredibly useless.John S from Readingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23997116804287615312009-10-23T20:42:02.945+01:002009-10-23T20:42:02.945+01:00Griffin's main problem was that he isn't c...Griffin's main problem was that he isn't clear what his views are - presumably because he is used to changing them to suit the audience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13706355649124346012009-10-23T20:25:15.988+01:002009-10-23T20:25:15.988+01:00Totally agree with you anon @7.08pm
Putting all t...Totally agree with you anon @7.08pm<br /><br />Putting all the emphasis on Griffin is missing the point. By all rights Griffin should be irrelevant. What’s making him relevant to people - particularly those at the bottom of the social pile - is that Griffin and the BNP are articulating the big problems that the mainstream parties are creating and so are too scared to discuss in any meaningful way; mass immigration, globalisation, islamification, the middle class elite, the wealth gap.<br /><br />Refusing to address these problems is driving decent people into the arms of the BNP.<br /><br />The BNP will continue to grow until one of the main parties takes on these issues, which ultimately boil down to one major problem - globalisation.Paphenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54871712342405447932009-10-23T20:09:46.675+01:002009-10-23T20:09:46.675+01:00But why did the BBC rig this particular Question T...But why did the BBC rig this particular Question Time? What did they think they were doing?<br /><br />Why did they not put Griffin on the spot over the economy or the NHS providing care based on age?<br /><br />I think I will join Noel Edmunds and not pay my telly tax. OK we all accept that the BNP is racist but why did the BBC not put them to the test on matters of the day?<br /><br />Yes it was an orchestrated lynch mob and yes Griffin has cause for complaint. As a result he will gain mucho publicity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20689133962733961382009-10-23T19:08:32.251+01:002009-10-23T19:08:32.251+01:00the whole episode has been a disaster, BNP members...the whole episode has been a disaster, BNP membership and support will incraese. the main paties need to address the issues instead of merely lecturing the electorate for supporting themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72844992121114702792009-10-23T18:03:58.249+01:002009-10-23T18:03:58.249+01:00Anonymous said...
Talksport held a poll on whethe...Anonymous said... <br />Talksport held a poll on whether Nick Griffin gained from this appearance & 93% thought yes.<br /><br />October 23, 2009 4:57 PM<br /><br />Take a look at the BBC'S have your say, talk about shooting themselves in both feet.<br /><br />sean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40420854229856315242009-10-23T17:28:19.903+01:002009-10-23T17:28:19.903+01:00Since Griffin has a left glass eye it was thoughtf...Since Griffin has a left glass eye it was thoughtful to place him on Dimbleby's left where Griffin could not see Bonnie Greer to his left nor that section of the audience.<br /><br />The field placing was fascinating. Three corrupt politicians - two elected - facing Nick Griffin and Bonnie Greer.<br /><br />Perhaps Gordon Brown can have his glass eye positioned to reduce his field of view ?TomTomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6630070153570235332009-10-23T17:08:09.191+01:002009-10-23T17:08:09.191+01:00Tom Miller, you try and spin all you like, but you...Tom Miller, you try and spin all you like, but you know as well as I do that most BNP voters are ex Labour voters. Blackburn, Burnley, Dagenham, the list goes on.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57889982065161934512009-10-23T16:57:05.259+01:002009-10-23T16:57:05.259+01:00Talksport held a poll on whether Nick Griffin gain...Talksport held a poll on whether Nick Griffin gained from this appearance & 93% thought yes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19033872537168155462009-10-23T16:53:09.942+01:002009-10-23T16:53:09.942+01:00Iain, most BNP voters self define as right of cent...Iain, most BNP voters self define as right of centre and would vote for the Conservatives as a second choice. It patently does matter what middle class people think; and yes, there are middle class people in Burnley.<br /><br />Typical Conservative simplification and mischaracterisation of Northern England.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07801341846218646357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17241386763786596812009-10-23T16:21:50.220+01:002009-10-23T16:21:50.220+01:00Bonnie Greer was claiming she was better than Nick...Bonnie Greer was claiming she was better than Nick Griffin as she had a history degree and he did law.<br /><br />However, she seemed unaware that the Neanderthals are thought to have become extinct 24,000 years ago so no one is descended from them today.David Evershednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56574049808544708532009-10-23T16:13:50.972+01:002009-10-23T16:13:50.972+01:00To paraphrase from today's Today programme, &q...To paraphrase from today's Today programme, "...show 3 angels attacking a devil and the British public will feel sympathy for the underdog". That's what BBPravda achieved with the fixing of the QT programme!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27616871259751469112009-10-23T16:08:05.310+01:002009-10-23T16:08:05.310+01:00I agree with everybody who's made the points a...I agree with everybody who's made the points about bullying and underdogs.<br /><br />Typical lefties, couldn't organise a shag in a brothel.<br /><br />There's a long way to go on this yet ... Doubtless it will come out that, as well as all the rest of the fixing, the audience was completely gerrymandered by the nobs at the BBC.Paphenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47699429637079433802009-10-23T16:02:24.895+01:002009-10-23T16:02:24.895+01:00I have just watched it on iPlayer.
I loathe what ...I have just watched it on iPlayer.<br /><br />I loathe what the BNP stands for, but this was an appalling show and can only have given the BNP more support. Other speakers were largely allowed to finish what they said: NG was interrupted every other sentence.<br /><br />I've heard on Radio 4 an hour or two ago a report of a BNP statement referring to the event as a "lynch mob". That's how it struck me, too. How very very stupid to make NG a martyr.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03234085314662011091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4668724385812848482009-10-23T15:53:21.552+01:002009-10-23T15:53:21.552+01:00I would agree with Anonymous that a discussion pro...I would agree with Anonymous that a discussion programme discussing 1 subject, in this case the BNP, in depth would be an improvement on the normal Question Time.<br /><br />Indeed I have suggested that British politics would be significantly improved by a series of formal debates on various subjects chosen by the public. Formal debates do have a rather better gistory of being informative than the 1 sentnece soundbites that is what our broadcasters are always aiming at (to be fair to QT they manage 1 paragraph soundbites. Cynically it may be becasue they would inprove political discussion that the BBC don't want them.<br /><br />However a formal debate about the BNP would rather require a balanced team rather than 5 to 1.<br /><br />The BBC's idea of balanced discussion is to have one person saqying the BNP are dreadful & should be totally & completely suppressed in every posible way balanced by another saying that the BNP are dreadful & should be almost totally suppressed.<br /><br />Considering the BBC record of lying to say that the Labour/Lib/Conservative's friend the openly genocidal (ex-)Nazi Bosnian Moslem leader was "a moderate minded multiculturalist" I trust nobody will suggest that Dimbleby, or anybody else working for that corrupt organisation, is les than 1,000 as Nazi as Griffin.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8159929822398634872009-10-23T15:39:56.656+01:002009-10-23T15:39:56.656+01:00I live in the Northwest, the area where Nick Griff...I live in the Northwest, the area where Nick Griffin was elected an MEP, and I thought he had nothing new to say. However, the BBC let him off the hook by abandoning the usual format of questions on current events. Instead, he will have appeared to some people as a victim of the panel's bullying, which could add to his appeal for them. He was evasive, looked uncomfortable and shifty but, in the end, more heat than light was generated.Annnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54293930988192711312009-10-23T15:06:09.195+01:002009-10-23T15:06:09.195+01:00"Straw failed to deal comfortably with Labour..."Straw failed to deal comfortably with Labour's failing immigration policy and how that contributed to an increase in BNP support"<br /><br />Straw's reply was basically to say "you can't blame us, we didn't bring those black people here, it was Enoch and the Tories in 1960"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61596867819293238232009-10-23T14:53:05.253+01:002009-10-23T14:53:05.253+01:00Iain- The simple fact of the m,atter is this was n...Iain- The simple fact of the m,atter is this was not Cricket and the British people always support an underdog.<br /><br />I was listening to Suntalk this morning and it was incredible the number of people calling in support of NG.<br /><br />I think he and his party have won hands down.The Purplelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13824474829595685623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28589011132466867342009-10-23T14:49:34.313+01:002009-10-23T14:49:34.313+01:00This whole thing has done the BNP no end of good. ...This whole thing has done the BNP no end of good. London may look like that audience, as is the first thing that I notice at King's Cross when I get off the train from Durham, but Britain at large doesn't. White British was the choice of ninety-two per cent at the last census.<br /><br />No discussion of the postal strike, or MPs' expenses, or anything.<br /><br />And when is anyone going to ask Jack Straw how he won President of the NUS at a time when that organisation was completely controlled by the Communist Party and its nominally Labour fellow-travellers? But we can't have that. It would expose the sectarian Leftist backgrounds, not only of New Labour, but also of many of those around David Cameron.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.com