tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post116851749716042237..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Did Bush Ask Blair for More Troops?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168809312536174942007-01-14T21:15:00.000+00:002007-01-14T21:15:00.000+00:00Did Bush Ask Blair for More Troops?The answer appe...<I>Did Bush Ask Blair for More Troops?</I><BR/><BR/>The answer appears to be "yes". At least it is according to this article I've just come across in <A HREF="http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=69462007" REL="nofollow">The Scotsman</A><BR/><BR/><I>TONY Blair formally rejected an American appeal to send hundreds more British troops to Iraq to help with US "surge" tactics, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.<BR/><BR/>The Prime Minister was confronted with the request for extra help to supplement the thousands of American reinforcements on their way to Baghdad, during conversations with President Bush before Christmas.<BR/><BR/>But he turned down the plea for around 2,000 extra British troops - to add to the 7,200 already stationed around Basra - because it would conflict with the government's hopes of scaling down Britain's Iraq presence in the coming months.</I><BR/><BR/>Kind of odd really considering his recent speech aboard HMS Albion in Plymouth in which he called on the UK to involve itself in even more wars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168563662230189772007-01-12T01:01:00.000+00:002007-01-12T01:01:00.000+00:00I don't think we were asked to provide additional ...I don't think we were asked to provide additional troops. <BR/><BR/>Although I am a committed Atlanticist, GWB, whilst he is clearly a muppet, has not been as bold on his proposal as he should have been. I suspect the massive shift in the Congress & Senate has rattled his cage.<BR/><BR/>We mustn't forget that this is the man who said, <I>"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."</I> As with almost all members of the British Government, he has no personal experience of service in the Armed Services. Good manners prevent me saying what he actually was when the question was posed to him.<BR/><BR/>Some of the senior US commanders have advised that the so called <I>surge</I> of an additional 20,000 US troops is wholly inadequate. I support that view. Further, there can be no question about additional UK troop deployment.<BR/><BR/>If this situation in Iraq is to be solved initially militarily, leading (hopefully) to a political solution and an early withdrawal of UK and other troops, the USA needs to deploy a minimum of 50,000 additional well trained troops.<BR/><BR/>I regret to say, I think GWB has demonstrated that he hasn't the b--ls to do what's really necessary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168545186611546702007-01-11T19:53:00.000+00:002007-01-11T19:53:00.000+00:00...Brits die in the name of this tokenism...Bryan ......Brits die in the name of this tokenism...<BR/><BR/>Bryan is right and it's appalling. Imagine yourself into the situation of being sent to a deathhole because someone like Bush or Blair are total incompetents and know not what they're doing? Pity the military.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168540976773355932007-01-11T18:42:00.000+00:002007-01-11T18:42:00.000+00:00Why doesn't Blair build new married quarters in Ir...Why doesn't Blair build new married quarters in Iraq and Afghanistan, move the service families nearer their loved ones and then arm them and double the size of the army?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168538560718948582007-01-11T18:02:00.000+00:002007-01-11T18:02:00.000+00:00At a time when British troops are so exposed in Af...At a time when British troops are so exposed in Afghanistan and Iraq, (and by many press accounts, inadequately equipped and funded), and at a time when the United States is further raising the level of offensive operations in Iraq, the Chancellor of the Exchequer is more than usually repellent in mounting a full scale attack upon the Prime Minister's office, on the disgraceful grounds that it is 'his turn', while hiding behind revelations of government incompetence that are as much his responsibility as that of any other member of the Cabinet.<BR/><BR/>Many detest the Prime Minister's foreign policy, and would hope he has refused to send more soldiers, but most would rather that the government of the UK is not subjected to unnecessary factional pressures while there are UK troops in harm's way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168538288809361282007-01-11T17:58:00.000+00:002007-01-11T17:58:00.000+00:00Now if we were talking about an FOI request asking...Now if we were talking about an FOI request asking how many paperclips the MOD used since the invasion I'd say you had a chance of an answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168538027517340562007-01-11T17:53:00.000+00:002007-01-11T17:53:00.000+00:00Save the Royal Navy petition.<A HREF="http://stcrispinsday.com/blog1/2007/01/11/petition-to-save-the-royal-navy/" REL="nofollow">Save the Royal Navy petition.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168535646253054302007-01-11T17:14:00.000+00:002007-01-11T17:14:00.000+00:00That's a good idea. It might be worth asking Steve...That's a good idea. It might be worth asking Steve Wood over at <A HREF="http://foia.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">FoI Blog</A>. He's had experience in getting information on both sides of the Atlantic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168533090904483592007-01-11T16:31:00.000+00:002007-01-11T16:31:00.000+00:00anonymous 1.37 makes an interesting point. It led ...anonymous 1.37 makes an interesting point. It led me to wonder about the so called "30 year rule" and whether the full extent of Tony Blair's complicity in war crimes and other misdemeanors will ever come to light, barring some sort of <BR/>political sea-change in the interim.<BR/><BR/>The fact is, they may not, including the information on this topic.<BR/><BR/>Essentially the government can block publication of sensitive documents indefinitely - for example;<BR/><BR/>(source BBC) There was dismay earlier this year when a crucial box of papers relating to the abdication crisis in 1936 was held back by Oxford's Bodleian Library until 2037<BR/><BR/>You get your information if and when they want you to and not before. Blair and his cronies are aspiring masters at this sort of obfuscation. Unless he is actually put on trial, you have not a cat in hell's chance.<BR/><BR/>The only likely possiblity of exposure is if there is some sort of civil case in which these sensitive documents are essesntial to the defendent's case.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168531737200093982007-01-11T16:08:00.000+00:002007-01-11T16:08:00.000+00:00Cityunslicker must be right. Bush wouldn't urge a ...Cityunslicker must be right. Bush wouldn't urge a surge on Yo Blair because he would know he couldn't deliver. But this does draw attention to the tokenism of our presence and the fact that Brits die in the name of this tokenism. Not a comfortable feeling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168522623739472202007-01-11T13:37:00.000+00:002007-01-11T13:37:00.000+00:00Iain you will have to go through the State Departm...Iain you will have to go through the State Department I believe. And having done so myself I can assure you that you are more than likely to be fobbed off having spent a lot of time and effort putting it together. You would have more joy going through the domestic channels but even then it could fall under the exemption category of interefring in the national interest/relations with foreign allies. Could force it (ala Al Jazeera bombing discussions) but that oculd invovle a court case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168519539270701312007-01-11T12:45:00.000+00:002007-01-11T12:45:00.000+00:00It is not FOI that keeps us ordinary joes informed...It is not FOI that keeps us ordinary joes informed Iain, but the whistleblowers in the govts' own departments, to them, we owe our knowledge of covert and sinister manoueverings and give our thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1168519144111590162007-01-11T12:39:00.000+00:002007-01-11T12:39:00.000+00:00I doubt we did get asked actually. The South is pr...I doubt we did get asked actually. The South is progressing reasonably well in comparison to Baghdad and Anwar Province where the US troops are going. Having a 1,000 UK soldiers there would just complicate things.<BR/><BR/>On top of that the US can see how stretched we are and that we don't have another 1,00 troops to send in any event.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com