tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post115308181846678180..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: What are the Reserved Places in the House of Lords?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153214476800094692006-07-18T10:21:00.000+01:002006-07-18T10:21:00.000+01:00Gary powell appears a little confused with politic...Gary powell appears a little confused with politics. Allow me the opportunity to laugh at him.<BR/><BR/>You belong to the, "We lost but we are honest group".<BR/>Similar to Labour rebels who hate Blair and all thing Blair (but not £Bn's into NHS and Schools blah blah blah).<BR/><BR/>Utter bollocks if you ask me.<BR/><BR/>I didn't invent the game of politics, but I know, through experience, that to lose means the opposition win and therefore have the Nations cheque-book on life.<BR/><BR/>Ask Georgy Osborne what it's like to do a bit of thumb twiddling while Gordon writes Trident cheques out.<BR/><BR/>Dave can hug huskies all day long for me, and if you want to take the piss out of me, fine, who am I to argue? You can bang on all day, for me, about how good a policy-less, tree-planting bunch of flag wavers you all are, BUT, let's be correct in all of this.<BR/><BR/>You are just fucking about while Labour runs the show.<BR/>Get used to it. Thatcher and Major (true blue Europeans to a man),you aint.That's why you are, what you are. Trust me, Gordon will devour you soon.<BR/><BR/>GaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153175745788914362006-07-17T23:35:00.000+01:002006-07-17T23:35:00.000+01:00"Strapworld" should try to read something other th..."Strapworld" should try to read something other than the <EM>Daily Mail</EM>.SPLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499448861385839223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153165381395802032006-07-17T20:43:00.000+01:002006-07-17T20:43:00.000+01:00Gary ElsbyI believe you when you say you dont tell...Gary Elsby<BR/>I believe you when you say you dont tell lies. I do not either. However it does not follow that therfore you are correct about anything.<BR/><BR/>Are you saying that the Thatcher and Magor governments were better than a government that has not even happened yet? Seems like a very ignorent and imature statement indead. Have you got permision to us your daddies PC?<BR/><BR/>As for the Conservative party being finished. Have a look if you can find time from watching CBBC at a local government political map. Also can you give us a clue as to what party, if not the Conservative party, non-socialists can vote for. Which BTW is the vaste magority of the British people, in my experience and opinion.<BR/><BR/>Do you believe in dictatorship? Or do you just seem to?<BR/><BR/>Would you really prefer another socialist party like the BNP or the lib/dems to replace the Conservative Party in opposition?<BR/><BR/>Advice from me to you would be, try to stop gaining your political insite from watching to much BBC TV it is bad for your credibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153165035569449362006-07-17T20:37:00.000+01:002006-07-17T20:37:00.000+01:00David, of course I am aware of both these things. ...David, of course I am aware of both these things. But I question his use of "reserved places". This implies there is a specific number reserved for particualr parties or people representing different interests from the parties. There are no such reserved places, as well you know. It is an interesting lawyer's way of trying to skirt round the problem he has created for himself.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153164504016986482006-07-17T20:28:00.000+01:002006-07-17T20:28:00.000+01:00Iain, you seem to be unaware that this is the Unit...Iain, you seem to be unaware that this is the United Kingdom, and we have an unwritten constitution. One of the aspects of the British constitution is custom and practice. One custom and practice since 1958 is that the political parties are able to nominate some of their supporters to receive "working peerages" and take an active part in House of Lords business.<BR/><BR/>What the Prime Minister said was entirely correct in every particular.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153154204911866092006-07-17T17:36:00.000+01:002006-07-17T17:36:00.000+01:00In today's Telegraph: "Mr Prescot's spokesman...sa...In today's Telegraph: "Mr Prescot's spokesman...said the casinos were mentioned, but not discussed." Urr does that mean they were talked about but not brought up; cited but not referenced? How much more weasely can you get? <BR/><BR/>BTW the latest Labour spin is saying that (a) being made a 'working peer' isn't an honour and (b) all the parties have space reserved for such peers - so it's all ok then. Nothing to see here. Move along please...<BR/><BR/>Labour is giving yet another of its classic non-denial denials.<BR/><BR/>There is no crime in giving peerages to your supporters. There is no crime if all of lab/lib/tory donors 'happen' to get honours. Giving money to democratic parties is laudible IMHO. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, there IS a crime, literally, if those parties say 'give us x and we'll recommend you for y'. That's corruption. And yes it is illegal no matter how hard Labour supporters try to justify it. It's irrelevant if some jobs were 'created' as a result of it. It's also no good using the Edith Cresson defence, saying everybody's at it.Scary Biscuitshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03039289019338752778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153152979887039932006-07-17T17:16:00.000+01:002006-07-17T17:16:00.000+01:00Where's the shock here?For years, each party has h...Where's the shock here?<BR/><BR/>For years, each party has had a varying number of peerages to fill to ensure something of a party political balance amongst the peers that actually turn up (rather than the ones who get the honour for long service in a particular field and only show up when they have to). Tory, LD and Labour members get nominated for these slots and they are 'reserved' for that purpose. <BR/><BR/>Anyone checked that the Tories and the LDs haven't rewarded any of their generous donors with peerages? Mind you, the LDs have a couple of millionaires on their Commons benches who found their wealth VERY helpful when it came to getting elected.PoliticalHackUKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03415484385177871124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153145683845643922006-07-17T15:14:00.000+01:002006-07-17T15:14:00.000+01:00>'m banned from 'conservative home' for daring to ...>'m banned from 'conservative home' for daring to say the Tories are crap.<BR/><BR/>No, Gary, it's because you're crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153141209230189612006-07-17T14:00:00.000+01:002006-07-17T14:00:00.000+01:00guardian cub reporter corrects me...."There is no ...guardian cub reporter corrects me....<BR/><BR/>"There is no imbalance in the House of Lords, There are actually MORE labour Peers than Tories<BR/>Labout have 206 The Tories 205!"<BR/><BR/>How can this be... unless there are political nominations? And how can there be political nominations unless some are reserved for party nominations?Bob Piperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13792439016502695274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153138689107595752006-07-17T13:18:00.000+01:002006-07-17T13:18:00.000+01:00Blogging into the Tory sites is not considered goo...Blogging into the Tory sites is not considered good practice by many of the left and thoroughly looked down on as sport by you lot of the right.<BR/><BR/>I always tell the truth and have no passion for lies. A big problem for some with blinkers firmly on.<BR/><BR/>Blair, for all of his ills, has delivered. His delivery has upset a few on the harder edges but what's on the plate at home and abroad is fairly convincing.<BR/><BR/>Cameron and Hague have just lied their way through each and every day. What is the great Tory plan-policies at a date soon? 'm banned from 'conservative home' for daring to say the Tories are crap.<BR/>For suggesting that former leaders 'loaned' more than Blair.<BR/><BR/>The Tories are dead and being buried each day. Accept it.<BR/><BR/>garyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153131367234033162006-07-17T11:16:00.000+01:002006-07-17T11:16:00.000+01:00I may of course be mistaken, but don't the various...I may of course be mistaken, but don't the various Parliament Acts render the decisions of the Upper House (and much of our synthentic outrage about peddling seats and votes therein) somewhat redundant?<BR/><BR/>Now Cash For Contracts... that's much more interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153130891107919122006-07-17T11:08:00.000+01:002006-07-17T11:08:00.000+01:00It is a well known trait of criminals and liars, t...It is a well known trait of criminals and liars, to 'try out' their defence in<BR/>draft form prior to having to deal with the relevant formal confrontation. The<BR/>question is whether he is practicing for, (a)further media questions, (b) the<BR/>police interrogation, or, (c) the trial!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153130382260989912006-07-17T10:59:00.000+01:002006-07-17T10:59:00.000+01:00Gary Elsby (Have you seen his rantings on the BBC ...Gary Elsby (Have you seen his rantings on the BBC website?) says, 'This is the worst Tory party in the history of politics.'<BR/>Gary - how exactly would you describe this current shower of liars, thieves and chancers? The ones currently ruining the country, I mean...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153130335906249032006-07-17T10:58:00.001+01:002006-07-17T10:58:00.001+01:00I have to agree with some of the comments here. In...I have to agree with some of the comments here. Inept journalism and a failure to really challenge Blair by the Conservatives, particularly in respect of Dave Cameron, is what really worries me. He appears to running his own agenda, seeing nothing in the periphery of his vision, and charging forward with publicity stunts and ideas of what a Conservative utopia means to him personally. I don’t know who his scriptwriter is but the central focus beggars belief. When it is quite clear that the public have had enough of Blair for the reasons of his defective character and his government’s mishandling of the criminal justice system, education, immigration and crime, one would think that Dave would tackle these problems head on with a tough approach. Instead we are gobsmacked by his (or his advisors) total ignorance of general opinion and what will eventually win votes. I cannot believe that the Conservatives are wasting the chance of a lifetime by pratting about with a Tonyclone. We keep hoping for something better, but I fear the Conservatives are dead in the water unless they wake up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153130281903681082006-07-17T10:58:00.000+01:002006-07-17T10:58:00.000+01:00"Selling peerages" or is it "reserved places" :-) ..."Selling peerages" or is it "reserved places" :-) For some reason this topic reminds me of Geoffrey Chaucer's Pardoner's tale in Canterbury tales.l can't readily recall the story.Can anyone tell me if there are any similarities?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153127948530320902006-07-17T10:19:00.000+01:002006-07-17T10:19:00.000+01:00Blair's argument is absolutely absurd. "These are...Blair's argument is absolutely absurd. "These are not honours, they're working peerages". The unarticulated part of the argument is, therefore, "We might have sold working peerages, but we haven't sold honours, because working peerages aren't honours. We sold something that we're not prohibited from selling."<BR/><BR/>That is sheer fantasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153126811954402272006-07-17T10:00:00.000+01:002006-07-17T10:00:00.000+01:00Gary Elsby does have a valid point. This IS the w...Gary Elsby does have a valid point. This IS the worst LED conservative party and they appear to agree to anything that will get them P O W E R!<BR/><BR/>That is quite sick. Forget that power now exists, largely, within the EU. Previous tory governments and this present shower having given away the freedoms millions fought for over the thousand years of our history.<BR/><BR/>It is this lack of real power which gives idle minds other things to contemplate and that, inevitably means making money for themselves/party?<BR/><BR/>The whole damned lot are in need of replacement and we need a new party to take us there. Led by genuine people with real experience of life and work. NO a lists b lists etc. A commitment to return this country to its former glory. Accepting efugees and immigrants that want to become british and not allow 'communities' of this and that to develop. <BR/><BR/>We once were proud to be called BRITISH being scottish welsh irish and english together. Now we have a collection of communities...be they gay or mongolian.<BR/><BR/>We need to get back together and we need urgently before it is to bloody late to get rid of the fruitcake and his minnions at present acting as our presidento.<BR/><BR/>there ended the first lessonstrapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153126324322716902006-07-17T09:52:00.000+01:002006-07-17T09:52:00.000+01:00As the current investiation is under the "Honours ...As the current investiation is under the "Honours (Prevention of Abuses) Act 1925", and he now claims the dodgy (possibly) peerages concerende are NOT HONOURS, why didn't they just tell Mr Plod to F*ck off ? Err, because they ARE "honours" ?The Leadership Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04212273253106023958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153125794189507412006-07-17T09:43:00.000+01:002006-07-17T09:43:00.000+01:00Verity said.."Blair is, as Lord Tebbit said in his...Verity said..<BR/>"Blair is, as Lord Tebbit said in his interview posted on this revered site, a fantasist."<BR/><BR/>Then I saw Gary Elsby's post, and I recognised a huge similarity in the thought processes......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153125145966551392006-07-17T09:32:00.000+01:002006-07-17T09:32:00.000+01:00So Lord Levy being a "working peer" means somethin...So Lord Levy being a "working peer" means something else other than attending the Lords (15.8%)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153125073168804052006-07-17T09:31:00.000+01:002006-07-17T09:31:00.000+01:00No matter how hard the Tory right wingers try, the...No matter how hard the Tory right wingers try, they just can't seem to get it right in their futile attempts to dislodge our wondrous leader and our caring Government.<BR/><BR/>It is the Tory party that is in disarray, Iain.<BR/><BR/>This is the worst Tory party in the history of politics.<BR/><BR/>Looking at William Hague on Adam's sunday slot, only gave the game away that William is out of his depth once again.<BR/><BR/>The EPP scandal should see Dave brought in for questioning by Knacker of the Yard for his being a politician under 'false pretences'.<BR/><BR/>What a shower you lot actually are.<BR/><BR/>garyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153123027980292462006-07-17T08:57:00.000+01:002006-07-17T08:57:00.000+01:00The important question, it seems to me, is not whe...The important question, it seems to me, is not whether party leaders should or shouldn't be able to nominate people as life peers to act as party spokesmen or to help get business through the House of Lords but about the credentials of the people whom they nominate. <BR/><BR/>It doesn't seem particularly surprising that parties should nominate their own supporters and activists for such positions, including people who've been active in local government, trades unions or the CBI, or just the political party concerned. Nor does it seem surprising that a committed supporter of a party should, if he's fortunate enough to be able to afford it, make generous donations to the party he supports. Nor, of course, should it be forgotten that what seems to you or me a huge donation probably doesn't seem so large to someone who's got a few million quid in the bank.<BR/><BR/>What does seem a bit odd, though, is that someone whose <B>only</B> evidence hitherto of political committment and activism is a couple of recent and generous donations should be considered appropriate for nomination as a 'working' peer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153121579681076032006-07-17T08:32:00.000+01:002006-07-17T08:32:00.000+01:00Bob Piper said"I know the Conservatives have come ...Bob Piper said<BR/><BR/>"I know the Conservatives have come a long way under Dave, Iain, but are you suggesting that in future he won't be nominating Conservative supporters to be the Conservative Party nominations to the House of Lords? If so, this is really progressive and could assist in redressing the party imbalance in the Lords which I am sure the Prime Minister would welcome."<BR/><BR/>...... There is no imbalance in the House of Lords, There are actually MORE labour Peers than Tories<BR/>Labout have 206 The Tories 205!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153119919127965012006-07-17T08:05:00.000+01:002006-07-17T08:05:00.000+01:00Blair has played the oldest trick in the book! Un...Blair has played the oldest trick in the book! <BR/><BR/>Under the title of "People you can't deal with", the author tells you that someone that agrees with you regarding failures but admits nothing, makes himself virtually bulletproof.<BR/><BR/>In this instance Blair makes an assertion that party donors have always been rewarded with peerages and that all parties are allowed this privelege. In a second breath he puts "sale" of peerages into a category all of its own, and denies that this has taken place (to his knowledge!).<BR/><BR/>I have to hand it to the shifty bugger, he is in a class of his own in the 'squirm and turn' club. Someone ought to ask him as to why this investigation has gone on for so long if everything is all above board. Of course there's no answer to that and the creep will walk away from it again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1153118381036003112006-07-17T07:39:00.000+01:002006-07-17T07:39:00.000+01:00I know we joke about ZanuLabour, but I'm starting ...I know we joke about ZanuLabour, but I'm starting to get worried that The Great Leader actually thinks Britain is Zimbabwe. The constitution of that benighted nation does reserve a certain percentage of seats in parliament to be filled by presidential nominees.<BR/><BR/>Could someone go and show the PM a map and explain the differences between the former Rhodesia and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?The Remittance Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13104149259707414863noreply@blogger.com