tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post108332903882290915..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: David Lammy Campaign Against His Own Government (With Your Money)Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71446279333813104622010-01-08T18:12:15.899+00:002010-01-08T18:12:15.899+00:00For some reason, my full comment never appeared he...For some reason, my full comment never appeared here (@ 02:pm).<br /><br />What I had written was:<br /><br />"<i>@ Lester<br /><br />When I crossed the floor to the Conservatives from Labour (while I was a Councillor in Newham) I<br />was told by the London Regional Director, Ken Clark, that he was disappointed in me and asked me if I was aware that "The Tories are racist".<br /><br />As I had met with a good number of Newham Conservatives members at that time, I did try to explain to him that he was talking nonsense - he didn't want to hear that.<br /><br />I was a Labour member for a good while, and it IS the usual quickly run off accusation that is thrown at Conservatives by a good number of Labour activists.</i>"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54294640986175631972010-01-08T14:00:41.900+00:002010-01-08T14:00:41.900+00:00was told by the London Regional Director, Ken Clar...was told by the London Regional Director, Ken Clark, that he was disappointed in me and asked me if I was aware that "The Tories are racist".<br /><br />As I had met with a good number of Newham Conservatives members at that time, I did try to explain to him that he was talking nonsense - he didn't want to hear that.<br /><br />I was a Labour member for a good while, and it IS the usual quickly run off accusation that is thrown at Conservatives by a good number of Labour activists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16553243659283727522010-01-08T12:01:08.776+00:002010-01-08T12:01:08.776+00:00My friends? Who are they? You're making a lot ...My friends? Who are they? You're making a lot of assumptions, Iain.<br /><br />Someone makes an accusation of racism, so they must be my friend? <br /><br />Well, you've made me laugh.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04036506254116079964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44763284990297459852010-01-08T11:45:55.277+00:002010-01-08T11:45:55.277+00:00Lester, dearest, let me say it words that even you...Lester, dearest, let me say it words that even you will be able to comprehend easily. It was your friends on left who brought up the issue of race on this thread, not commenters on the right. There. That wasn't so difficult, was it?Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65677170819369996192010-01-08T11:41:48.646+00:002010-01-08T11:41:48.646+00:00I can see you're off again with more hysterics...I can see you're off again with more hysterics, Iain. But I'm glad you were eagerly ancicipating my contribution!<br /><br />Your anonymous trolls don't seem to affect many of the blogs I look at. <br /><br />Of course there are plenty of vexed debates about race across the blogosphere, but here on your site any mention of David Lammy instantly turns into a debate about race, which is just plain nuts.<br /><br />I have friends across the political spectrum (so don't try and paint me as being locked entirely in a left wing world), but if you think the left are spending each waking moment trying to paint the right as racists you're clearly living in a parallel universe.<br /><br />Where is this happening? How many recent stories have their been like this? Exactly, none.<br /><br />So ease off from fulminating against the "fascist left", wipe the spittle from your mouth, and take a long lie down.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04036506254116079964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10625348132341631292010-01-08T11:28:46.201+00:002010-01-08T11:28:46.201+00:00Lester, I wondered how long before you'd join ...Lester, I wondered how long before you'd join in.<br /><br />Look who brought race into it. Ah yes, anonymous trolls.<br /><br />You say it doesnt happen on any other site. Clearly you lead a very sheltered life.<br /><br />Your left wing friends revel in trying to accuse people on the right at every opportunity. It's what they do. They really are the fascist left.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53136111723616373282010-01-08T11:24:31.972+00:002010-01-08T11:24:31.972+00:00How sad that discussions about David Lammy on this...How sad that discussions about David Lammy on this site degenerate into arguments over racism and skin colour.<br /><br />Doesn't seem to happen elsewhere...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04036506254116079964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-778926623561002102010-01-07T19:54:46.947+00:002010-01-07T19:54:46.947+00:00David T - what if Ruth Kelly had used taxpayer'...David T - what if Ruth Kelly had used taxpayer's money to campaign against abortion while being part of a Government that supported it?Ed Wesrhttp://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/edwest/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17194414007474218962010-01-07T19:41:23.020+00:002010-01-07T19:41:23.020+00:00Ah yes, the old racism card. Of course these anon...Ah yes, the old racism card. Of course these anonymous clowns seem to regard playing the racist card is a sure-fire substitute for open debate. When in doubt, try to stifle all discussion by personal attack, eh?<br /><br />Now would the anons care to explain why it is acceptable, moral and principled for Lammy to carry on as he has? I don't care what colour he is, he's still a thick little pilferer of my money.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25300383575129868432010-01-07T19:39:32.711+00:002010-01-07T19:39:32.711+00:00The accusation of racism is bizarre and the point ...The accusation of racism is bizarre and the point about the communications allowance is a fair one (although perhaps easier to make when your party is rolling in money). It does rather look though like you're duffing him up for opposing the government. An odd line for a tory to take.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41000524451073231602010-01-07T19:36:36.780+00:002010-01-07T19:36:36.780+00:00@ David T.
The Comm allowance is to let constitue...@ David T.<br /><br />The Comm allowance is to let constituents know what an MP has been doing with regard to representing them.<br /><br />In Newham we have 3 MPs (all Labour) and not one uses their Comm allowance for campaigning.Mike Lawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24876268667120223102010-01-07T19:33:44.851+00:002010-01-07T19:33:44.851+00:00I wouldn't worry too much about the comments b...I wouldn't worry too much about the comments branding you a racist Iain. As a former Labour Party member (of 29 years) I can assure you that there a few in the Labour Party who think this type of tactic is perfectly acceptable.<br /><br />My wife is black and I asked her to read your post. She wasn't offended in the slightest and she thought you raised an important issue - she also thinks Lammy is typical of a NuLabour drone, regardless of his ethnic origin.Mike Lawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4375744581592169992010-01-07T19:21:49.983+00:002010-01-07T19:21:49.983+00:00I agree with you Iain, I am not in support of the ...I agree with you Iain, I am not in support of the Com Allowance, just felt it a bit unfair to pick on these two MP's.David Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44362585823864670832010-01-07T19:14:24.502+00:002010-01-07T19:14:24.502+00:00David T. I am afraid your response demonstrates ju...David T. I am afraid your response demonstrates just how warped political values have become. If David Lammy or any other politician wants to campaign on an issue, of course they should. But they or their local party should raise the money themselves. This sort of thing gives imcumbents such a huge advantage that it is totally unfair on candidates from other parties who don't have that facility.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64300877082303916912010-01-07T19:11:02.319+00:002010-01-07T19:11:02.319+00:00Any person accusing somebody of racism over this i...Any person accusing somebody of racism over this issue, particular somebody like Iain, clearly cares far more about party politics than race politics.<br /><br />People have worked hard to make racism unacceptable. To misuse the accusation thus is to set back that work, it is worse therefore than the actual charge under consideration.<br /><br />Such a petty use of such a serious issue is utterly contemptible and you should be ashamed of yourself. You do more harm to the cause of integration than the most virulent racist.OldSlaughterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04807170326475262427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28799401329796822862010-01-07T19:09:11.953+00:002010-01-07T19:09:11.953+00:00Reply to ID 7.00:
Most (if not all) propaganda we...Reply to ID 7.00:<br /><br />Most (if not all) propaganda we receive that is paid for by the Communications Allowance have party political messages and attacks on other parties.<br /><br />What make the two examples you use any different? Your Lammy example uses the fact that he is a Minister as an attack, but that is unfair (see my earlier example as to why).<br /><br />If MP's are not allowed to use the CA for local campaign issues (for or against the party line regardless) what can they use it for?David Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15624837886111632542010-01-07T19:00:45.918+00:002010-01-07T19:00:45.918+00:00Are you seriously saying you think it is OK for th...Are you seriously saying you think it is OK for the taxpayer to pay for this???? <br /><br />Imagine if it was a Tory MP. You'd be foaming at the mouth and you know it.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16622403631476612342010-01-07T18:57:32.974+00:002010-01-07T18:57:32.974+00:00I understand the precedent of collective ministeri...I understand the precedent of collective ministerial responsibility Iain, however I do think you are trying to create a storm in a tea cup. What about when Ruth Kelly, Des Browne and Paul Murphy effectively ‘campaigned against the government’ (note inverted commas) surrounding abortion because of their faith? <br />The sort of ‘bad’ play that you are reporting here about Labour MP’s will go on in all constituencies around the country and will be the same dilemma for Conservative MP’s should they form the next government later this year.<br /><br />As an earlier commenter said, you cannot for one minute believe that David Lammy should be campaigning FOR a closure, nor can you expect him to resign from government over this issue.<br /><br />And to relate this ‘story’ to abuse of expenses... again, the phrases ‘storm in tea cup’, ‘Daily-Mail-style-of-reporting’ and scaremongering come straight to the front of my mind!David Tnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62463318230054710922010-01-07T18:50:36.882+00:002010-01-07T18:50:36.882+00:00Ahhh, false accusations of racism, the traditional...Ahhh, false accusations of racism, the traditional refuge of the left when defeated or when they have no real argument against what has been said.<br /><br />"When In Doubt, Play The Race Card" - The Labour PartyMr Angrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52602417903679688832010-01-07T18:46:35.364+00:002010-01-07T18:46:35.364+00:00anon throwing accustations of racism is making a c...anon throwing accustations of racism is making a complete arse of himself. He/she only posts such crap to wind up people, so dont take the moron seriously at all. This is about hypocrisy and deceit, and once again shows how two faced Labour politicans are. Typical of this wretched government.D Hughesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81172381693235512222010-01-07T18:25:19.842+00:002010-01-07T18:25:19.842+00:00How on earth is questioning this questionable beha...How on earth is questioning this questionable behaviour, racist? It seems to me, ‘anonymous’ (catchy, like it), that the first person to bring up the subject of race, when the subject under debate has nothing whatsoever to do with race, is rather more the racist. If you think that David Lammy’s behaviour is acceptable, then justify it, without resorting to absurd accusations.I Squigglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03977761412580015662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78277446738756988352010-01-07T18:16:22.740+00:002010-01-07T18:16:22.740+00:00Breathtaking. On oh so many levels. Why is this ...Breathtaking. On oh so many levels. Why is this not attracting more attention at a national level in the MSM? What we need is someone who regularly appears on things like Sky News, 5Live, R4 etc to shout about this. Know anyone?I Squigglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03977761412580015662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16759360124031311222010-01-07T18:11:02.323+00:002010-01-07T18:11:02.323+00:00Iain.
Make sure it is in the paper when you do you...Iain.<br />Make sure it is in the paper when you do your next newspaper review.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90237210032204563692010-01-07T17:42:54.150+00:002010-01-07T17:42:54.150+00:00John,
I think you protest a little bit too much.....John,<br /><br />I think you protest a little bit too much...<br /><br />The mask is slipping. The racial overtones of this matter should disgust all right-thinking Britons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22304720949583881562010-01-07T17:18:36.971+00:002010-01-07T17:18:36.971+00:00At January 07, 2010 4:17 PM , Anonymous said...
...At January 07, 2010 4:17 PM , Anonymous said... <br />Iain,<br /><br />this stinks of racism. You're only attacking David like this because he's a black man representing a predominantly black constituency. Get over yourself and focus on the Tory grandee troffers and Mr. Goldsmith's non-dom status. You may be seen as a racist in the eyes of some if you don't repent and withdraw your dirty, petulent and unfounded allegations against Mr. Lammy.<br /><br />Think on.<br /><br /> What a load of Rubbish, why is Iain attacking David like this because he's a black man representing a predominantly black constituency. <br /><br />WHAT DOES COLOUR HAVE TO DO WITH IT.<br /><br />I support Spurs and cheer Defoe, Lennon and King on every week, so do not say I have a colour problem.<br /><br />I think you should say sorry to Iain for such a posting.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12125396335746207555noreply@blogger.com